1050 PM: Elpincheviejo [Quote] -- 7:45pm -- Thu, Nov 30, 17 pst
Elpincheviejo
Look at MW, with his cynicism about expertise. I blame the same forces that got Trump elected for that.
I don't buy the notion that the same forces that got Trump elected made MwJohnson into a dumb ass.
I think the way it worked was those forces appealed to the dumb asses of the nation to get Trump elected.
MwJohnson happily climbed on board, and to this day still runs interference for Trump.
Thursday, November 30, 2017
Graham Flip Flops on Trump's Fitness for Office
"What concerns me about the American press is this endless, endless
attempt to label the guy some kind of kook not fit to be president." -
Lindsey Graham - December, 2017
"I think he's a kook. I think he's crazy. I think he's unfit for
office." - Lindsey Graham - February, 2016
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/362611-graham-accuses-media-of-same-trump-criticisms-he-once-offered
Clapper on Russia's Meddling in th Election
''The Russians used cyber operations against both political parties, including hacking into servers used by
the Democratic National Committee and releasing stolen data to WikiLeaks
and other media outlets. Russia also collected on certain Republican
Party-affiliated targets, but did not release any Republican-related
data. The Intelligence Community Assessment concluded first that
President Putin directed and influenced campaign to erode the faith and
confidence of the American people in our presidential election process.
Second, that he did so to demean Secretary Clinton, and third, that he
sought to advantage Mr. Trump. These conclusions were reached based on
the richness of the information gathered and analyzed and were
thoroughly vetted and then approved by the directors of the three
agencies and me.''
James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/08/opinions/yates-was-headliner-but-clapper-stole-the-show-kayyem/index.html
the Democratic National Committee and releasing stolen data to WikiLeaks
and other media outlets. Russia also collected on certain Republican
Party-affiliated targets, but did not release any Republican-related
data. The Intelligence Community Assessment concluded first that
President Putin directed and influenced campaign to erode the faith and
confidence of the American people in our presidential election process.
Second, that he did so to demean Secretary Clinton, and third, that he
sought to advantage Mr. Trump. These conclusions were reached based on
the richness of the information gathered and analyzed and were
thoroughly vetted and then approved by the directors of the three
agencies and me.''
James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/08/opinions/yates-was-headliner-but-clapper-stole-the-show-kayyem/index.html
Clinton Cleared; Not So for Moore and Trump
And those allegations against Clinton
were debunked; in one case by the accuser's sworn statement; and in the other case by the judge's throwing the case out summarily ---- and later stating that even if he did what Jones claims, it was NOT sexual
harassment.
Of course, another HUGE difference between Clinton's case and the ones against Trump and Moore is that Clinton's cases were litigated in one case in federal court; and in another by a $70 MILLION investigation headed by a GOPPER bound and determined to find SOMETHING -- ANYTHING on Clinton. And HE even came up empty.
Trump and Moore DARE NOT go under oath like Clinton did to discuss allegations against them.
No one is completely innocent. My point is that Clinton was investigated; he testified under oath; his
accuser SWORE he didn't assault her; a federal judge dismissed the phony harassment charge.
Compare that to Moore and Trump who have NOT been questioned under oath about their alleged misconduct.
Dudley and Airhead Proof
2548 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 7:29am -- Tue, Jun 20, 17 pst
Dudley
How would you prove such a statement my funny little airhead?
Dudley
How would you prove such a statement my funny little airhead?
Wednesday, November 29, 2017
MwJohnson and Proof
1492 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 5:59am -- Sun, Oct 15, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
It seems unfair to accuse someone of something without proof.
Mwjohnson
It seems unfair to accuse someone of something without proof.
CaG Defends Trump's Racist Remarks
CaG: You mean it's okay to call Clarence Thomas an ''Uncle Tom''?
3927 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 11:21am -- Wed, Nov 29, 17 pst
Christians are Good
And who cares of some people are offended?
3927 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 11:21am -- Wed, Nov 29, 17 pst
Christians are Good
And who cares of some people are offended?
Uranium One smear falls apart:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/doubts-surface-key-witness-uranium-one-probe-clinton-203614558.html
"Federal
officials have serious questions about the credibility of a key witness
in congressional investigations of Hillary Clinton’s role in the sale
of a uranium-mining company to Russian interests, two sources
knowledgeable about the case tell Yahoo News.
The
witness, a Florida businessman and former FBI informant named William
Douglas Campbell, was considered so unreliable that prosecutors dropped
him as a witness in an unrelated case involving Russian uranium sales,
according to the sources."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/doubts-surface-key-witness-uranium-one-probe-clinton-203614558.html
Tuesday, November 28, 2017
What Would Be Fun!
What would be fun is if the right
wingers would try to form reasoned arguments to support their political
views. Like, for instance:
1) Why does it make sense to CUT people off their health insurance?
2) Why does it make sense to HIKE taxes on the poor to fund tax CUTS for the wealthy?
3) Why does it make sense to allow our infrastructure to crumble?
4) Why does it make sense to AVOID finding out the extent to which the
Trump campaign has been working with the Kremlin to hack our democracy?
5) Why does it make sense to cut funding for arts in schools?
6) Why does it make sense to break up families and deport undocumented
aliens rather than working to hold these families together?
7) Why does it make sense to allow corporations to dump poisons into our air and water?
8) Why does it make sense to do NOTHING to preserve endangered species?
How much fun could we have if these guys tried to gather facts (not
alternate facts) and use the facts to form reasoned arguments?
wingers would try to form reasoned arguments to support their political
views. Like, for instance:
1) Why does it make sense to CUT people off their health insurance?
2) Why does it make sense to HIKE taxes on the poor to fund tax CUTS for the wealthy?
3) Why does it make sense to allow our infrastructure to crumble?
4) Why does it make sense to AVOID finding out the extent to which the
Trump campaign has been working with the Kremlin to hack our democracy?
5) Why does it make sense to cut funding for arts in schools?
6) Why does it make sense to break up families and deport undocumented
aliens rather than working to hold these families together?
7) Why does it make sense to allow corporations to dump poisons into our air and water?
8) Why does it make sense to do NOTHING to preserve endangered species?
How much fun could we have if these guys tried to gather facts (not
alternate facts) and use the facts to form reasoned arguments?
Pale on Sex Education
1885 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 6:43pm -- Tue, Nov 28, 17 pst
Palerider
. . . Sex education takes many forms, some versions illustrated in recent years go way beyond the basics of human sexuality and are reasonably resisted.
Palerider
. . . Sex education takes many forms, some versions illustrated in recent years go way beyond the basics of human sexuality and are reasonably resisted.
Yes, the IRS Targeted Liberal Groups
The IRS targeted liberal groups like ACORN:
''IRS personnel were told starting in 2010 to watch out for groups that had affiliations with ACORN, a national network of community-based organizations that had collapsed amid allegations of wrongdoing by conservative activists. Ultimately, at least 13 applications for tax exemptions were flagged for scrutiny based on possible ACORN ties, and most of those groups waited over a year for their cases to be resolved, the report said — mirroring many of the
allegations leveled regarding conservative groups.''
https://goo.gl/iDsPgS
Button
''IRS personnel were told starting in 2010 to watch out for groups that had affiliations with ACORN, a national network of community-based organizations that had collapsed amid allegations of wrongdoing by conservative activists. Ultimately, at least 13 applications for tax exemptions were flagged for scrutiny based on possible ACORN ties, and most of those groups waited over a year for their cases to be resolved, the report said — mirroring many of the
allegations leveled regarding conservative groups.''
https://goo.gl/iDsPgS
Button
Pale Justifies Use of Racist Slur
9629 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 11:44am -- Tue, Nov 28, 17 pst
Palerider
CaG it's simply a term used to draw attention to Warren trying to piggyback on an ethnic consideration for some measure of benefit ...
Using Pale's logic, it would be okay for Trump to call Conyers "Nigger" if his intention was to draw attention to something he imagines Conyers had done.
Palerider
CaG it's simply a term used to draw attention to Warren trying to piggyback on an ethnic consideration for some measure of benefit ...
Using Pale's logic, it would be okay for Trump to call Conyers "Nigger" if his intention was to draw attention to something he imagines Conyers had done.
Trump's Slur against Native Americans
"Native Americans respond to Trump's Pocahontas comment"
NYTIMES HEADLINE
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/native-americans-respond-to-trumps-pocahontas-comment/
NYTIMES HEADLINE
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/native-americans-respond-to-trumps-pocahontas-comment/
Dudley Admits Clinton Was Right about Iraq
4494 PM: Dudley -- Wed, Jun 1 7:56am PST -----
Dudley
If you asked me, and you did, you got an answer. Yes, Clinton was right about Iraq . . .
___________________________________
Thanks, Dudley!
''I didn't agree with the timing of the attack,'' Clinton said.
''I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over,'' Clinton said
'Pressed on whether the Iraq war was worth the cost to the United States, Clinton said he would not have undertaken the war until after U.N. chief weapons inspector Hans Blix ''finished his job.'''
Dudley
If you asked me, and you did, you got an answer. Yes, Clinton was right about Iraq . . .
___________________________________
Thanks, Dudley!
''I didn't agree with the timing of the attack,'' Clinton said.
''I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over,'' Clinton said
'Pressed on whether the Iraq war was worth the cost to the United States, Clinton said he would not have undertaken the war until after U.N. chief weapons inspector Hans Blix ''finished his job.'''
Dudley on Assertions
7581 PM: Dudley --Fri, Mar 19 8:42pm PST
Dudley
Maggies, that is an assertion. Back it up.
1720 PM: Dudley -- Sat, Jun 12 9:25am PST -----
Dudley
Only one problem, your assertion rests on its own conclusion of validity, with nothing but the assertion itself to back it up as proof.
6826 PM: Dudley -- Mon, Jun 21 6:43pm PST -----
Dudley
Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! *wrapping duct tape around my head*
2955 PM: Dudley -- Sat, Jul 10 11:29pm PST -----
Dudley
I guess I hurt Dosset's feelings. Fuck, I'm such an asshole.
2920 PM: Dudley -- Sat, Jul 10 11:23pm PST -----
Dudley
Dosset, yeah, I'm stupid
3524 PM: Dudley -- Sun, Jul 11 0:32am PST -----
Dudley
I'm just an asshole.
The next time Dudley complains about us saving his posts, remember this.
1471 PM: Dudley -- Sat, Dec 11 9:24am PST -----
Dudley
Natchez is lurking and copying posts for future reference . Can you say '' He has no fucking life ''? I knew that you could.
5255 PM: Dudley -- Fri, Mar 11 5:09pm PST -----
Dudley
Thinker types - Analyze statements apart from the ones making the statement. Feeler Types - Not only disagrees with the opinion, but feels the need to denigrate the opinion holder by saying they might be ''lying.''
6724 PM: Dudley -- Fri, Apr 29 4:34pm PST -----
Dudley
Claiming knowledge about a chatter's family is rather odd behavior.
1744 PM: Dudley -- Sat, Dec 11 10:03am PST -----
Dudley
Natchez, I saved those posts.
1247 PM: Dudley -- Sat, Jun 12 8:22am PST -----
Dudley
I come to this chat room just to look like a foolish turd so I can start my day right.
6481 PM: Dudley -- Thu, May 5 4:16pm PST -----
Dudley
I change my mind, Dosset is the most stupid fucker in the room
4516 PM: Dudley -- Thu, Apr 21 3:48pm PST -----
Dudley
They are big on ad hominems and short on topics.
3767 PM: Dudley -- Wed, Jun 1 6:26am PST -----
Dudley
Saddam altered another post of mine in real time chat. His old posts are shit.
7323 PM: Dudley -- Tue, May 17 2:27pm PST -----
Dudley
Exactly. They invoke the liar liar shit all the time. That's what non-thinkers do.
9968 PM: Dudley -- Sat, May 7 6:04am PST -----
Dudley
Natchez, liar. I made no analogy
3174 PM: Dudley -- Mon, Jul 18 6:08pm PST -----
Dudley
You can question a story for bias based on source, but no story or argument is rejected out of hand according to the source.
3194 PM: Dudley -- Mon, Jul 18 6:16pm PST -----
Dudley
Even if a known liar tells tales, one can certainly look at the tales with suspicion, and even question its veracity, but saying it is untrue simply because of the source isn't valid argument.
7127 PM: Dudley -- Sat, Aug 13 8:25am PST -----
Dudley
Tart chatters are infamous for using such words as ''twat.'' They are fixated on private parts.
5730 PM: Dudley -- Tue, Aug 23 6:10pm PST -----
Dudley
Dosset, uh, being at the end of a rope is being lynched dipshit. What a maroon.
4088 PM: Dudley -- Tue, Sep 27 12:36pm PST -----
Dudley
Dana is Natchez
9469 PM: Dudley -- Tue, Jan 17 7:17pm pst
Dudley
They bring up Hitler when they are cornered.
1899 PM: Zulz -- Mon, Sep 12 7:18pm PST -----
dana IS dosset.
6129 PM: Dudley [Quote] 10:52am -- Mon, Feb 20, 12 PST [iggy]
Dudley
Cowards are fond of this tactic, iggy anyone who makes you look stupid
6466 PM: Dudley [Quote] 12:33pm -- Tue, Feb 21, 12 PST [iggy]
Dudley
Grrllawyer is big on claim making, it's the claim backing that fucks her up.
9384 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 8:12am -- Tue, Mar 4, 14 pst
Dudley
When unemployment is now defined as ONLY those receiving unemployment benefits, while thousands have given up looking, while thousands of others had benefits run out. When we have less in the work force than in the late 1970s, then only a walking dildo with the brain the size of mouse droppings would say unemployment is lower.
5232 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 2:46pm -- Tue, Dec 6, 11 pst
Dudley
I guess I'm just stupid.
1085 PM: Dudley [Quote] 6:11am -- Fri, Jul 20, 12 PST [iggy]
Dudley
Denial isn't an argument.
8927 PM: Dudley [Quote] 12:42pm -- Tue, Oct 2, 12 PST [iggy]
Dudley
Denial is not an argument, but rather another lie.
7949 PM: Dudley [Quote] 6:23pm -- Fri, Sep 21, 12 PST [iggy]
Dudley
Oh, the ever famous ''you're stupid'' argument.
You mean like this one?
3859 PM: Dudley [Quote] 12:46pm -- Wed, May 9, 12 PST [iggy]
Dudley
You stupid fuck . . .
2493 PM: Zulz -- Mon, Sep 12 7:51pm PST -----
dana is the handle being handled right now by natchez.
7774 PM: Dudley -- Thu, Sep 1 5:05pm PST -----
Dudley
Natchez, assertions without proof don't need refuting , they need more proof than the assertions themselves . So far you aren't up to the job lightweight.
5452 PM: Dudley -- Mon, Aug 8 3:10pm PST -----
Dudley
Grrllawyer, if you'd like to make an argument, then make one. If you only have ad hominems, well then....
4346 PM: Dudley -- Wed, Jun 1 7:34am PST -----
Dudley
Natchez, for something to be credible there has to be validation.
2195 PM: Dudley -- Thu, Jun 23 5:00pm PST -----
Dudley
A sign that no argument is forth coming. Using the Nazi tag again, a weak weak mind.
917 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 7:45am -- Tue, Nov 12, 13 PST
Dudley
I can't make an argument and my good is sucking bad, so here is an out of context post you wrote five years ago. That ought to do it.
Dudley
Maggies, that is an assertion. Back it up.
1720 PM: Dudley -- Sat, Jun 12 9:25am PST -----
Dudley
Only one problem, your assertion rests on its own conclusion of validity, with nothing but the assertion itself to back it up as proof.
6826 PM: Dudley -- Mon, Jun 21 6:43pm PST -----
Dudley
Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! *wrapping duct tape around my head*
2955 PM: Dudley -- Sat, Jul 10 11:29pm PST -----
Dudley
I guess I hurt Dosset's feelings. Fuck, I'm such an asshole.
2920 PM: Dudley -- Sat, Jul 10 11:23pm PST -----
Dudley
Dosset, yeah, I'm stupid
3524 PM: Dudley -- Sun, Jul 11 0:32am PST -----
Dudley
I'm just an asshole.
The next time Dudley complains about us saving his posts, remember this.
1471 PM: Dudley -- Sat, Dec 11 9:24am PST -----
Dudley
Natchez is lurking and copying posts for future reference . Can you say '' He has no fucking life ''? I knew that you could.
5255 PM: Dudley -- Fri, Mar 11 5:09pm PST -----
Dudley
Thinker types - Analyze statements apart from the ones making the statement. Feeler Types - Not only disagrees with the opinion, but feels the need to denigrate the opinion holder by saying they might be ''lying.''
6724 PM: Dudley -- Fri, Apr 29 4:34pm PST -----
Dudley
Claiming knowledge about a chatter's family is rather odd behavior.
1744 PM: Dudley -- Sat, Dec 11 10:03am PST -----
Dudley
Natchez, I saved those posts.
1247 PM: Dudley -- Sat, Jun 12 8:22am PST -----
Dudley
I come to this chat room just to look like a foolish turd so I can start my day right.
6481 PM: Dudley -- Thu, May 5 4:16pm PST -----
Dudley
I change my mind, Dosset is the most stupid fucker in the room
4516 PM: Dudley -- Thu, Apr 21 3:48pm PST -----
Dudley
They are big on ad hominems and short on topics.
3767 PM: Dudley -- Wed, Jun 1 6:26am PST -----
Dudley
Saddam altered another post of mine in real time chat. His old posts are shit.
7323 PM: Dudley -- Tue, May 17 2:27pm PST -----
Dudley
Exactly. They invoke the liar liar shit all the time. That's what non-thinkers do.
9968 PM: Dudley -- Sat, May 7 6:04am PST -----
Dudley
Natchez, liar. I made no analogy
3174 PM: Dudley -- Mon, Jul 18 6:08pm PST -----
Dudley
You can question a story for bias based on source, but no story or argument is rejected out of hand according to the source.
3194 PM: Dudley -- Mon, Jul 18 6:16pm PST -----
Dudley
Even if a known liar tells tales, one can certainly look at the tales with suspicion, and even question its veracity, but saying it is untrue simply because of the source isn't valid argument.
7127 PM: Dudley -- Sat, Aug 13 8:25am PST -----
Dudley
Tart chatters are infamous for using such words as ''twat.'' They are fixated on private parts.
5730 PM: Dudley -- Tue, Aug 23 6:10pm PST -----
Dudley
Dosset, uh, being at the end of a rope is being lynched dipshit. What a maroon.
4088 PM: Dudley -- Tue, Sep 27 12:36pm PST -----
Dudley
Dana is Natchez
9469 PM: Dudley -- Tue, Jan 17 7:17pm pst
Dudley
They bring up Hitler when they are cornered.
1899 PM: Zulz -- Mon, Sep 12 7:18pm PST -----
dana IS dosset.
6129 PM: Dudley [Quote] 10:52am -- Mon, Feb 20, 12 PST [iggy]
Dudley
Cowards are fond of this tactic, iggy anyone who makes you look stupid
6466 PM: Dudley [Quote] 12:33pm -- Tue, Feb 21, 12 PST [iggy]
Dudley
Grrllawyer is big on claim making, it's the claim backing that fucks her up.
9384 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 8:12am -- Tue, Mar 4, 14 pst
Dudley
When unemployment is now defined as ONLY those receiving unemployment benefits, while thousands have given up looking, while thousands of others had benefits run out. When we have less in the work force than in the late 1970s, then only a walking dildo with the brain the size of mouse droppings would say unemployment is lower.
5232 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 2:46pm -- Tue, Dec 6, 11 pst
Dudley
I guess I'm just stupid.
1085 PM: Dudley [Quote] 6:11am -- Fri, Jul 20, 12 PST [iggy]
Dudley
Denial isn't an argument.
8927 PM: Dudley [Quote] 12:42pm -- Tue, Oct 2, 12 PST [iggy]
Dudley
Denial is not an argument, but rather another lie.
7949 PM: Dudley [Quote] 6:23pm -- Fri, Sep 21, 12 PST [iggy]
Dudley
Oh, the ever famous ''you're stupid'' argument.
You mean like this one?
3859 PM: Dudley [Quote] 12:46pm -- Wed, May 9, 12 PST [iggy]
Dudley
You stupid fuck . . .
2493 PM: Zulz -- Mon, Sep 12 7:51pm PST -----
dana is the handle being handled right now by natchez.
7774 PM: Dudley -- Thu, Sep 1 5:05pm PST -----
Dudley
Natchez, assertions without proof don't need refuting , they need more proof than the assertions themselves . So far you aren't up to the job lightweight.
5452 PM: Dudley -- Mon, Aug 8 3:10pm PST -----
Dudley
Grrllawyer, if you'd like to make an argument, then make one. If you only have ad hominems, well then....
4346 PM: Dudley -- Wed, Jun 1 7:34am PST -----
Dudley
Natchez, for something to be credible there has to be validation.
2195 PM: Dudley -- Thu, Jun 23 5:00pm PST -----
Dudley
A sign that no argument is forth coming. Using the Nazi tag again, a weak weak mind.
917 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 7:45am -- Tue, Nov 12, 13 PST
Dudley
I can't make an argument and my good is sucking bad, so here is an out of context post you wrote five years ago. That ought to do it.
Monday, November 27, 2017
We Can't Make Up This Shit
We can't make UP this shit.
Pale may indeed live in a Putin-Bubble.
5312 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 2:21pm -- Mon, Nov 27, 17 pst
Palerider
grrl lawyer just the truth, Moore hasn't been accused of pedophilia.
Now for the truth.
''Katy Tur Has A ‘Brutal Question’ For Trump Over His Support For ‘Accused Pedophile’''
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/katy-tur-trump-roy-moore_us_5a14df84e4b09650540e259f
Pale may indeed live in a Putin-Bubble.
5312 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 2:21pm -- Mon, Nov 27, 17 pst
Palerider
grrl lawyer just the truth, Moore hasn't been accused of pedophilia.
Now for the truth.
''Katy Tur Has A ‘Brutal Question’ For Trump Over His Support For ‘Accused Pedophile’''
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/katy-tur-trump-roy-moore_us_5a14df84e4b09650540e259f
Right Wing Hypocrisy
MwJohnson frequently complains about vulgarity and crudeness in chat. Then he posts vulgarity and crudeness. We call that "hypocrisy."
699 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 6:34am -- Sun, Nov 26, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
*Picturing Billary suckING on a used condom, spitting at her crotch*
699 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 6:34am -- Sun, Nov 26, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
*Picturing Billary suckING on a used condom, spitting at her crotch*
CBO - GOP Tax HIKES on the Poor
The verdict is in.
The CBO says the Senate Republican tax bill would CUT taxes for those
in the top income brackets while HIKING TAXES for those earning less
than $30,000 a year.
We've asked right wingers to justify this inequity.
They are NOT even going to try.
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/53348
The CBO says the Senate Republican tax bill would CUT taxes for those
in the top income brackets while HIKING TAXES for those earning less
than $30,000 a year.
We've asked right wingers to justify this inequity.
They are NOT even going to try.
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/53348
Sunday, November 26, 2017
MwJohnson - Knuckledragger
Johnson admits he's a knuckle-dragger.
532 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 5:59am -- Sun, Nov 26, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
I will say that all these allegations sadden me. Its 2017, and we're still dragging our knuckles.
532 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 5:59am -- Sun, Nov 26, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
I will say that all these allegations sadden me. Its 2017, and we're still dragging our knuckles.
Saturday, November 25, 2017
Norm Eisen on Flynn's Deal with Mueller
"I negotiated a cooperation deal for a target with Mueller's office when
he was US Atty and lemme tell ya, he's not gonna give one to Flynn
unless he implicates someone up the ladder. That means Kushner, Don
Jr., or Big Daddy. They are all having indigestion tonight."https://twitter.com/NormEisen/status/93
he was US Atty and lemme tell ya, he's not gonna give one to Flynn
unless he implicates someone up the ladder. That means Kushner, Don
Jr., or Big Daddy. They are all having indigestion tonight."https://twitter.com/NormEisen/status/93
CaG and Name-calling
| 2806 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 9:55am -- Tue, Mar 1, 16 pst Christians are Good I would appreciate more civility and manners in politics. I would appreciate more civility in this chat room. |
Dino Loses It
6864 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 5:08pm -- Sun, Jun 11, 17 pst
See...always to the name calling. Typical liberal. Can't articulate a thing without calling someone a name.
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5921 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 12:59pm -- Wed, Nov 8, 17 pst
Hey Troll, people on the Mayflower were all born in America!
Taxes? "Stolen Money"?
6221 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 7:55am -- Sat, Nov 25, 17 pst
All taxes are stolen money you goober.
__________________________________
Dino claims the tax HIKE Trump proposes on the poor is "stolen money."
All taxes are stolen money you goober.
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Dino claims the tax HIKE Trump proposes on the poor is "stolen money."
Friday, November 24, 2017
Gene Lyons on Kenneth Starr and Sexual Predation
"The big sexual predator in Arkansas (and elsewhere) during the
Clinton administration was Kenneth Starr. He and his team of partisan
zealots rummaged through every panty drawer in the state looking for
somebody with a sexual grudge against Clinton. What's amazing is how few
credible accusers they found: basically none.
Many in the press
were his willing accomplices, and it's still rare to find journalists
willing to confront the reality of what happened or the complicity of
their colleagues."
Clinton administration was Kenneth Starr. He and his team of partisan
zealots rummaged through every panty drawer in the state looking for
somebody with a sexual grudge against Clinton. What's amazing is how few
credible accusers they found: basically none.
Many in the press
were his willing accomplices, and it's still rare to find journalists
willing to confront the reality of what happened or the complicity of
their colleagues."
Johnson's Coming Out
I've said for years that I suspect Johnson is light in the loafers.
4455 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 6:51pm -- Fri, Nov 24, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
*kisses Bob full on the mouth*
Gosh, I love you Brother.
4455 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 6:51pm -- Fri, Nov 24, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
*kisses Bob full on the mouth*
Gosh, I love you Brother.
Johnson Calls "Cunt" - then Complains about Insults
4445 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 6:49pm -- Fri, Nov 24, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
Ya lost me there. Suffice to say it would be more interesting if folks'd stop being insulting
8609 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 4:41pm -- Sun, Apr 8, 18 pst
2277 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 2:52pm -- Sat, Apr 7, 18 pst
Mwjohnson
. . .Always right to the personal attack.
You mean like this?
296 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 8:28am -- Tue, Aug 11, 15 pst
Mwjohnson
. . . Hush, you silly little cunt, adults are talking.
6923 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 7:53am -- Sat, Dec 2, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
DELTA/Raven....Obama was a nasty person. . . .
THIS nasty?
296 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 8:28am -- Tue, Aug 11, 15 pst
Mwjohnson
. . . Hush, you silly little cunt, adults are talking.
Mwjohnson
Ya lost me there. Suffice to say it would be more interesting if folks'd stop being insulting
8609 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 4:41pm -- Sun, Apr 8, 18 pst
2277 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 2:52pm -- Sat, Apr 7, 18 pst
Mwjohnson
. . .Always right to the personal attack.
You mean like this?
296 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 8:28am -- Tue, Aug 11, 15 pst
Mwjohnson
. . . Hush, you silly little cunt, adults are talking.
6923 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 7:53am -- Sat, Dec 2, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
DELTA/Raven....Obama was a nasty person. . . .
THIS nasty?
296 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 8:28am -- Tue, Aug 11, 15 pst
Mwjohnson
. . . Hush, you silly little cunt, adults are talking.
Vulgar Right Wingers
4170 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 6:00pm -- Fri, Nov 24, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
PRAD's combat experience revolves around whether he should swallow or not.
Mwjohnson
PRAD's combat experience revolves around whether he should swallow or not.
Can Trump Survive a Witness Flynn
It's not looking good for Trump
"[If] Flynn is slapped with a long list of indictments, it’s going to make
Trump look like a co-conspirator. His best defense at that point will be
that he is actually a dope and a fool rather than a witting participant
in a series of criminal acts. And that’s not a great look for a
president."
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/11/23/can-trump-survive-star-witness-michael-flynn/
A Simple "Yes" or "No'
4034 Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 5:30pm -- Fri, Nov 24, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
Wat...Have Trump or Moore been found guilty of assaulting women?
A simple yes or no ll do.
Mwjohnson
Wat...Have Trump or Moore been found guilty of assaulting women?
A simple yes or no ll do.
Victor Rewrites History
| 4239 PM: Celeste [Quote] - - 6:14pm - - Fri, Nov 24, 17 pst |
Celeste
Tree: I believe what Victor says.
___________________
Even when you KNOW he's lying?
_______________________
3630 PM: Victor [Quote] -- 2:35pm -- Fri, Nov 24, 17 pst
Victor
Actually, the biggest elimination of the rules that should have prevented another meltdown took place in 1998...when the sub-prime mortgate lobby paid a few tens of millions to the Clinton campaign. . .
___________________________________________
Clinton ran for president in 1992 and in 1996.
Where Victor came up with a 1998 "Clinton campaign" is anybody's guess. Maybe the same place Victor came up with that bullshit about Clinton having two draft numbers.
Trump Sometimes Tells the Truth
From Forbes.Comhttps://tinyurl.com/y9uyg7qe
“I’ve been around for a long time and it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.” - Donald Trump; 2004
"Trump Is Right About One Thing: 'The Economy Does Better Under The Democrats'"
''Trump said out loud the same thing
that Hillary Clinton has asserted—and top academics and journalists have
confirmed. The same thing I’ve been compiling cold, hard government
data on since 1980: By crucial metrics like GDP, job creation, business
investment and avoiding recessions, the economy does a lot better with
Democrats in the White House than with Republicans. Just one eye-opening
example: Nine of the last 10 recessions have been under Republicans.''
https://tinyurl.com/y9uyg7qe
Dubya had not one; but TWO recessions.
Clinton didn't have one; neither did Obama.
“I’ve been around for a long time and it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.” - Donald Trump; 2004
"Trump Is Right About One Thing: 'The Economy Does Better Under The Democrats'"
''Trump said out loud the same thing
that Hillary Clinton has asserted—and top academics and journalists have
confirmed. The same thing I’ve been compiling cold, hard government
data on since 1980: By crucial metrics like GDP, job creation, business
investment and avoiding recessions, the economy does a lot better with
Democrats in the White House than with Republicans. Just one eye-opening
example: Nine of the last 10 recessions have been under Republicans.''
https://tinyurl.com/y9uyg7qe
Dubya had not one; but TWO recessions.
Clinton didn't have one; neither did Obama.
Thursday, November 23, 2017
"Believe Juanita? Maybe, But Maybe Not"
Should we believe Juanita, as Michelle Goldberg has said SHE does?
Gene Lyons warns --- not so fast.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/believe-juanita-maybe-maybe-not/#_=_
Gene Lyons warns --- not so fast.
"Maybe
something happened between then-Arkansas Attorney General Bill Clinton
and Juanita Broaddrick in a Little Rock hotel room in 1979. Also, maybe
not. However, to accuse a man of a vile crime like rape requires serious
evidence. And I’m sorry, but there simply never was any, apart from
Broaddrick’s unverifiable tale—one she’d previously denied three times
under oath and penalty of perjury."
http://www.nationalmemo.com/believe-juanita-maybe-maybe-not/#_=_
LBJ on Why People Vote against Their Best Wishes
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best
colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him
somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." - Lyndon Baines Johnson
colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him
somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." - Lyndon Baines Johnson
Wednesday, November 22, 2017
PiP? A "Loser"?
7381 PM: Mrsdeluxe
[Quote] -- 8:24pm -- Wed, Jan 27, 10 pst
Mary
only losers with no
life drag chatters family members into it.
You mean like
this?
9189 PM:
Pip [Quote] -- 4:43pm -- Wed, Nov 22, 17 pst
PiP
Doss you can go now. .
. . Go talk to your wife.
Bad News for Trumpsters
Celeste: On top of THIS, there is the Russia matter that just won't go away. What GOOD news is there for you guys?
Your president is backing a suspected child-molester for senate.
The president's son-in-law worries that the special counsel will ''get'' Trump on some crime or another.
Trump himself stands accused of raping a 13 year old; and a dozen other women accuse him of sexual assault.
He's caught on tape ADMITTING to sexual assault.
What about this scenario spells out anything OTHER than a tidal wave of BAD news for you guys?
Your president is backing a suspected child-molester for senate.
The president's son-in-law worries that the special counsel will ''get'' Trump on some crime or another.
Trump himself stands accused of raping a 13 year old; and a dozen other women accuse him of sexual assault.
He's caught on tape ADMITTING to sexual assault.
What about this scenario spells out anything OTHER than a tidal wave of BAD news for you guys?
Trumpsters Are Angry at the World
They see their world crumbling around
them. A con-man president they wanted who's now embarrassing our nation;
threatening nuclear war; whoring away America's stature in the
world....now backing an accused child molester for the senate --- in
order to have the votes to pass a tax hike on the poor.
They know it's all indefensible; and they know it's THEIR baby.
They're pissed off at the world now because of their own foolishness.
them. A con-man president they wanted who's now embarrassing our nation;
threatening nuclear war; whoring away America's stature in the
world....now backing an accused child molester for the senate --- in
order to have the votes to pass a tax hike on the poor.
They know it's all indefensible; and they know it's THEIR baby.
They're pissed off at the world now because of their own foolishness.
Jared Worries Trump May "Get" Caught
Cinders: I'm talking about news reports that Jared is worried that Mueller is going to ''get'' Trump.
So my question is -- doesn't it make sense to you that Jared believes Trump is a criminal?
Otherwise, why would Jared fear Mueller is going to ''get'' him?
http://www.newsweek.com/kushner-worried-muellers-probe-would-get-president-trump-719186
So my question is -- doesn't it make sense to you that Jared believes Trump is a criminal?
Otherwise, why would Jared fear Mueller is going to ''get'' him?
http://www.newsweek.com/kushner-worried-muellers-probe-would-get-president-trump-719186
Punchy the Troll
8690 PM: Punchy [Quote] -- 2:29pm -- Wed, Nov 22, 17 pst
Punchy
trump doesn't troll dems as well as i troll natch and doss, tho..
Punchy
trump doesn't troll dems as well as i troll natch and doss, tho..
Doss in Speedos
2844 PM: Dutchie [Quote] -- 8:33am -- Thu, Feb 16, 12 PST
Dutchie....
and doss looks good in speedos. One of the few men who does.
2846 PM: Jajski [Quote] -- 8:33am -- Thu, Feb 16, 12 PST
Jajski
( quoted: Dutchie - and doss looks good in speedos. One of the few men who does. )
he does.
Dutchie....
and doss looks good in speedos. One of the few men who does.
2846 PM: Jajski [Quote] -- 8:33am -- Thu, Feb 16, 12 PST
Jajski
( quoted: Dutchie - and doss looks good in speedos. One of the few men who does. )
he does.
Pussy Grabbing Trump
Trump and women? Here; read it for yourself. Thanks to the NYTIMES for this.
"Following is an unedited transcript of the tape in which Donald J. Trump repeatedly made vulgar comments about women."
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/donald-trump-tape-transcript.html?_r=0
"Following is an unedited transcript of the tape in which Donald J. Trump repeatedly made vulgar comments about women."
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/donald-trump-tape-transcript.html?_r=0
Pale and Substantiated Claims
8035 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 12:27pm -- Wed, Nov 22, 17 pst
Palerider
dosset get back to me when you have something substantiated.
Palerider
dosset get back to me when you have something substantiated.
Dudley on Attacking the Source
Veritas: Dudley regularly attacks Media Matters. And you know what that means.
7685 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 10:42am -- Wed, Nov 22, 17 pst
Dudley
Spadjo, criticizing the source . . . is a logical fallacy, attacking the source
7685 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 10:42am -- Wed, Nov 22, 17 pst
Dudley
Spadjo, criticizing the source . . . is a logical fallacy, attacking the source
Rhino and Sexism
Do you suppose Rhino may be a sexist pig?
7590 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 10:14am -- Wed, Nov 22, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Maggie: don't you mean clit bait
7590 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 10:14am -- Wed, Nov 22, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Maggie: don't you mean clit bait
Lawless Trump Advisor Targeted
Kellyanne Conway apparently ran afoul of the law when she used her position as "Counselor to the President" to insert herself into a senate race in Alabama. The Hatch Act prohibits federal employees from using their positions to advocate on behalf of a candidate or in opposition to a candicate for political office.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/22/kellyanne-conway-hatch-act-complaint-doug-jones-comment-259147
"A prominent government ethics expert has filed a complaint
against White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, alleging that she
violated federal law Monday by appearing to advocate against Alabama
Senate candidate Roy Moore's Democratic opponent.
Walter Shaub, who resigned in July as the head of the Office
of Government Ethics, said on Twitter Wednesday that he lodged a
complaint claiming that the top aide to President Donald Trump ran afoul
of the Hatch Act when she discouraged Alabamans from voting for the
Democratic nominee, Doug Jones."
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/22/kellyanne-conway-hatch-act-complaint-doug-jones-comment-259147
Tuesday, November 21, 2017
PiP IS for Hiking Taxes on the Poor
5151 PM: Pip [Quote] -- 5:08pm -- Sun, Nov 19, 17pst
PiP
[Quoting doss: "For instance, what do you think of the GOPPER's plan to HIKE
taxes on the poor in order to REDUCE taxes on the wealthy? "]
I'm all for it!
______________________________________________
PiP's
pals probably sent him PMs, ''You DUMB ASS! NEVER EVER answer a question from
Dosset! Don't you know it makes our side look STUPID!''
Nosy?
| 3274 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 1:59pm -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst |
doss - - - - - Follow the money!
3273 PM: Grrllawyer [Quote] -- 1:58pm -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
Grrllawyer
Doss have you ever filed a case foor debt relief for youeself
personally or for foraa business you controlllled in federal
bankruptcy court?
No, of course not.
Why would you ask?
________________________________________________________________
I have yet to get a reply from Grrllawyer.
Cowboybillflett Predicts
Me bet? Hell no! Your scenario looks too damned real!
3256 PM: Cowboybillflett [Quote] -- 1:52pm -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
Cowboybillflett
doss - here's a prediction. Mueller will find that Trump
organizations illegally, criminally, laundered hundreds of millions
of dollars of Russian mafia money...an incredible serious crime.
Conservatives will say ''but that's the money the oligarchs used to
fund a hospital in Botswana by contributing to the Clinton
Foundation. So the Clintons are the criminals''. Wanna bet?
3256 PM: Cowboybillflett [Quote] -- 1:52pm -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
Cowboybillflett
doss - here's a prediction. Mueller will find that Trump
organizations illegally, criminally, laundered hundreds of millions
of dollars of Russian mafia money...an incredible serious crime.
Conservatives will say ''but that's the money the oligarchs used to
fund a hospital in Botswana by contributing to the Clinton
Foundation. So the Clintons are the criminals''. Wanna bet?
Pale and Allegations
Veritas: Yes, remember all that uranium weeping and whining and hand-wringing?
3143 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 1:24pm -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
Palerider
grrl lawyer I think there are allegations, and?
_____________________________________
Pale: Would you agree that the
allegations of Trump grabbing women by the pussy are bolstered by his
being caught on tape BRAGGING about grabbing women by the pussy?
If you're too chickenshit to answer, just ignore the question.
3143 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 1:24pm -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
Palerider
grrl lawyer I think there are allegations, and?
_____________________________________
Pale: Would you agree that the
allegations of Trump grabbing women by the pussy are bolstered by his
being caught on tape BRAGGING about grabbing women by the pussy?
If you're too chickenshit to answer, just ignore the question.
Trump Campaign Has Some Explaining to Do
Now we know that Trump's campaign
people WERE meeting with Russian spies; WERE communicating with Russia's
propaganda outlet; DID meet to discuss setting up illegal campaign
contributions; and DID brief Trump and Sessions on back-channel talks
with the Kremlin.
All DURING the campaign.
people WERE meeting with Russian spies; WERE communicating with Russia's
propaganda outlet; DID meet to discuss setting up illegal campaign
contributions; and DID brief Trump and Sessions on back-channel talks
with the Kremlin.
All DURING the campaign.
Pale Asks? I Answer
2717 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 11:36am -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
Palerider
Does MistySeass post explain why Red says Hillary has the mandate?
________________________________________
2718 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 11:37am -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
doss - - - - - Follow the money!
Palerider: No, Misty doesn't want to discuss the fact that Hillary beat Trump by almost 3 MILLION votes.
Palerider
Does MistySeass post explain why Red says Hillary has the mandate?
________________________________________
2718 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 11:37am -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
doss - - - - - Follow the money!
Palerider: No, Misty doesn't want to discuss the fact that Hillary beat Trump by almost 3 MILLION votes.
When Is a Russian NOT a Russian?
Pale asks a question.
2801 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 11:57am -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
Palerider
When is a Russian not a Russian?
___________________
I answer, "When he's a Russian spy meeting with Jeff Sessions or with Junior, Manfort, and Kushner."
Later, Pale will claim I didn't answer his question.
2801 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 11:57am -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
Palerider
When is a Russian not a Russian?
___________________
I answer, "When he's a Russian spy meeting with Jeff Sessions or with Junior, Manfort, and Kushner."
Later, Pale will claim I didn't answer his question.
Rhino Claims He's "King of Bankruptcy"
Rhino fesses up. Claims he is the "Room KING of Bankruptcy."
1939 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 7:11am -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Doss: and thank you from the Room KING of Bankruptcy..
1939 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 7:11am -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Doss: and thank you from the Room KING of Bankruptcy..
Monday, November 20, 2017
McMaster: Trump Is a "Dope"
From BuzzFeed:
"Over a July dinner with Oracle CEO Safra Catz — who has been mentioned
as a candidate for several potential administration jobs — McMaster
bluntly trashed his boss, said the sources, four of whom told BuzzFeed
News they heard about the exchange directly from Catz. The top national
security official dismissed the president variously as an “idiot” and a
“dope” with the intelligence of a “kindergartner,” the sources said."
Remember Jones and Her "Day in Court"?
Woman who accused Trump of sexually assaulting her now wants her day in court.
Right wingers may recall how they USED to champion the notion of a
woman having her day in court when it comes to accusing a president of
wrong-doing.
Remember?
We told you THEN that one day you'd regret it.
Now you do.
Right wingers may recall how they USED to champion the notion of a
woman having her day in court when it comes to accusing a president of
wrong-doing.
Remember?
We told you THEN that one day you'd regret it.
Now you do.
Sunday, November 19, 2017
Somebody's Going to Jail
5525 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 6:16pm -- Sun, Nov 19, 17 pst
doss - - - - - Follow the money!
In the meantime --- it may take a while for it to sink in --- but eventually the mom and pop middle America types out there are going to begin to figure it out.
The Trump campaign worked WITH Russian operatives to influence the outcome of the election.
Somebody's going to jail.
____________________
Mueller has on his staff some of the
best forensics specialists in the world when it comes to untangling
money-laundering schemes......
My guess is Trump's people are sweating bullets.
''During
a recent visit by NBC News, the Trump Ocean Club appeared to be largely
empty, with virtually no one in the restaurants at night. The hallways
were consistently empty. The lights were off in many of the units after
dark. Ventura said most of his clients never intended to live in the
Trump Ocean Club.''
They specialize in getting to the bottom of money laundering schemes.
They really ARE good at it. And Trump is beginning to look like an amateur.
Yes, an amateur.
Who in his
right mind would allow his son to set up a secret meeting in Trump
Towers to discuss with Russian operatives a scheme to collude?
Amateurs!
I know pickpockets who are more professional.
doss - - - - - Follow the money!
In the meantime --- it may take a while for it to sink in --- but eventually the mom and pop middle America types out there are going to begin to figure it out.
The Trump campaign worked WITH Russian operatives to influence the outcome of the election.
Somebody's going to jail.
____________________
Mueller has on his staff some of the
best forensics specialists in the world when it comes to untangling
money-laundering schemes......
My guess is Trump's people are sweating bullets.
''During
a recent visit by NBC News, the Trump Ocean Club appeared to be largely
empty, with virtually no one in the restaurants at night. The hallways
were consistently empty. The lights were off in many of the units after
dark. Ventura said most of his clients never intended to live in the
Trump Ocean Club.''
They specialize in getting to the bottom of money laundering schemes.
They really ARE good at it. And Trump is beginning to look like an amateur.
Yes, an amateur.
Who in his
right mind would allow his son to set up a secret meeting in Trump
Towers to discuss with Russian operatives a scheme to collude?
Amateurs!
I know pickpockets who are more professional.
Rid of Trump through Legal Channels
5480 PM: Charles [Quote] -- 6:08pm -- Sun, Nov 19, 17 pst
Charles
If you want to get rid of trump, do it through the proper legal channels. I'd have no problem with that.
_______________________
You know the old saying --- ''Be careful what you wish for....''
You got your wish. We have one of the best cops in the world going through proper legal channels.
Charles
If you want to get rid of trump, do it through the proper legal channels. I'd have no problem with that.
_______________________
You know the old saying --- ''Be careful what you wish for....''
You got your wish. We have one of the best cops in the world going through proper legal channels.
"Legal Tidal Wave" to Swamp Trump
Former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson makes some good points.
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/11/17/trump-about-to-be-hit-with-a-legal-tidal-wave/
I spent part of my convalescence from a recent illness
reading some of the comprehensive timelines of the Russia investigation…
In all of this, there is a spectacular accumulation of lies. Lies on
disclosure forms. Lies at confirmation hearings. Lies on Twitter. Lies
in the White House briefing room. Lies to the FBI. Self-protective lies
by the attorney general. Blocking and tackling lies by Vice President
Pence. This is, with a few exceptions, a group of people for whom truth,
political honor, ethics and integrity mean nothing.
What are the implications? President Trump and others in his
administration are about to be hit by a legal tidal wave. We look at the
Russia scandal and see lies. A skilled prosecutor sees leverage. People
caught in criminal violations make more cooperative witnesses. Robert
S. Mueller III and his A-team of investigators have plenty of stupidity
and venality to work with. They are investigating an administration
riven by internal hatreds — also the prosecutor’s friend. And Trump has
already alienated many potential allies in a public contest between
himself and Mueller. A number of elected Republicans, particularly in
the Senate, would watch this showdown with popcorn.
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/11/17/trump-about-to-be-hit-with-a-legal-tidal-wave/
Rightwingers Lie about Who Wants to Kill Chldren
We've never seen anyone but the MOST EXTREME right winger advocate the killing of children.
MwJohnson lies like a rug.
4226 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 2:01pm -- Sun, Nov 19, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
Ahhhh, that's a liberal mindset. Eradicate birth defects by killing children
____________________________
Who REALLY calls for children to be killed? Misty, of course.
6611 PM: Mistysea
[Quote] -- 8:06am -- Sat, Jun 26, 10 pst
Mistysea
Jan Brewer should hire
the French Foreign Legion to Arizona. She should order them to shoot to kill,
on the spot, anyone - man, woman or child, crossing the border illegally.
___________________________
After calling for children to be gunned down, Misty decries the fact that some just don't value life.
4523 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 2:51pm -- Fri, Jan 26, 18 pst
Mistysea
Cinders, I read things like that and I realize there is no value to life for some folks.
MwJohnson lies like a rug.
4226 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 2:01pm -- Sun, Nov 19, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
Ahhhh, that's a liberal mindset. Eradicate birth defects by killing children
____________________________
Who REALLY calls for children to be killed? Misty, of course.
6611 PM: Mistysea
[Quote] -- 8:06am -- Sat, Jun 26, 10 pst
Mistysea
Jan Brewer should hire
the French Foreign Legion to Arizona. She should order them to shoot to kill,
on the spot, anyone - man, woman or child, crossing the border illegally.
___________________________
After calling for children to be gunned down, Misty decries the fact that some just don't value life.
4523 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 2:51pm -- Fri, Jan 26, 18 pst
Mistysea
Cinders, I read things like that and I realize there is no value to life for some folks.
Saturday, November 18, 2017
Greek Is a Race?
This goes to Imzadi's Stupid Chat Tricks. She may file it under ''M'' for ''moron.''
9593 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 7:30am -- Sat, Nov 18, 17 pst
I changed my race for the weekend. I'm Greek this weekend.
9593 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 7:30am -- Sat, Nov 18, 17 pst
I changed my race for the weekend. I'm Greek this weekend.
Friday, November 17, 2017
Joyce Vance on Jared's Lack of Candor
Former federal prosecutor, Joyce Vance, calls it "incremental truth-telling." She says you never get it all at once.
She called it "The Hallmark of the Guilty."
She called it "The Hallmark of the Guilty."
"Groping" vs "Reaching For"
While many in the media are breathlessly reporting that Al Franken was photographed "groping" a sleeping Playboy model, some are reporting that the photograph REALLY depicts:
In case you didn't notice, Business Insider characterizes Franken as "reaching for her breasts." Not "touching," "groping," "grabbing," "rubbing," "massaging," or "pinching."
Just "reaching for." You know -- like on stage an actor will thrust with a sword and pass it BY the supposed victim. Yes, just an act. He's not REALLY stabbing that guy. He's just acting.
http://www.businessinsider.com/democratic-senator-sheldon-whitehouse-franken-response-2017-11
"Her column detailing the incident was complete with a
photograph of Franken reaching for her breasts while she was
asleep."
In case you didn't notice, Business Insider characterizes Franken as "reaching for her breasts." Not "touching," "groping," "grabbing," "rubbing," "massaging," or "pinching."
Just "reaching for." You know -- like on stage an actor will thrust with a sword and pass it BY the supposed victim. Yes, just an act. He's not REALLY stabbing that guy. He's just acting.
http://www.businessinsider.com/democratic-senator-sheldon-whitehouse-franken-response-2017-11
Right Wingers and Christian Morality
5587 PM: Maggie [Quote] -- 9:13am -- Fri, Nov 17, 17 pst
“I would rather vote for a molester than a Democrat.”
“I would rather vote for a pedophile than a Democrat.”
“I would rather vote for a thief and murderer than a Democrat.”
“Why don’t you guys like Democrats?”
“Because they don’t understand our deeply held Christian morality!”
“I would rather vote for a molester than a Democrat.”
“I would rather vote for a pedophile than a Democrat.”
“I would rather vote for a thief and murderer than a Democrat.”
“Why don’t you guys like Democrats?”
“Because they don’t understand our deeply held Christian morality!”
More Right Wing Homophobia
The sexual orientation of a reporter's audience is important to Misty because?
5542 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 8:12am -- Fri, Nov 17, 17 pst
Mistysea
Smith has always been an overt democrat. He has the largest number of gay followers than any host on tv.
"I Don't Recall"
Reagan used the "I don't recall" meme 88 times in 8 hours. That's eleven "I don't recall's" PER HOUR.
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/45689895/i-dont-recall.jpg
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/45689895/i-dont-recall.jpg
MwJohnson and Respect for Women
M W JOHNSON. . . . Line #1982 . . . . Sat, Aug 5, 6:49AM PDT
KANG....I have had the "urge"to rape (I assume all
men have). I can tell you that "power"over another person NEVER
entered my mind. I just wanted to get my rocks off.
M W JOHNSON. . . . Line #4620 . . . . Sun, Jul 23, 8:51AM
PDT
I can look really cute in a dress. I have nice legs &
can wear a really short skirt because....well....never mind (perhaps I have
said too much already).
M W JOHNSON . . . . Line #4620 . . . . Sun, Jul 23, 8:59AM
PDT
I prefer really dumb women (which doesn't explain why I
married my overly intelligent wife). Normally, I like them to have an I.D. just
above a carpet, only able to mouth the words, "Yes, don't stop" and
"You're so big Daddy I can't hardly stand it"
M W JOHNSON . . . Line #4515 . . . . Sat, Mar 10, 12:31AM
PDT
INTREPID....We held a girl down on the ground & felt her
up in elementary school (circa 1968)
M W JOHNSON . . . . Line #4304 . . . . Sat, Feb 5, 6:15AM
PST
PROPHET....Who in the heck cares about Nice Girls (men want
sluts -an important safety tip for you married gals)
Pro Life?
5286 PM: Prapius [Quote] -- 7:21am -- Fri, Nov 17, 17 pst
SHOCK AND AWE WAS GOOD..IT KILLED ENEMY BABIES.
SHOCK AND AWE WAS GOOD..IT KILLED ENEMY BABIES.
"Act Like"?
Dudley just fucked up. He let it slip that Franken didn't assault her.
He just ACTED like he was going to touch her.
Whoops!
Even a lying ass Flying Monkey let's the truth slip now and then. *S*
5018 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 6:10am -- Fri, Nov 17, 17 pst
Dudley
Red, no, he just thought it would be funny to act like he's grabbing her breasts while she slept.
_____________________________
Dudley: You DO know what an "act" is; right?
Like in "Julius Caesar" you KNOW they're not really stabbing that actor; right?
Thursday, November 16, 2017
Uranium Smear Is a Hoax
From the Washington Post Editorial Board:
"DID HILLARY CLINTON sell the country’s uranium to Russia
in return for donations to the Clinton Foundation? Did the Democrats
collude with Russian nationals to tip the election against Donald Trump?
No, and no. Which raises a third question:
Why is any of this relevant, particularly now? A fair look at the facts
suggests only one option. President Trump needs a distraction, and his
surrogates, some Republican members of Congress, right-wing media and
even some people in mainstream outlets are helping him gin up outrage
against a woman who is not, was never and will never be president. It is a measure of the power of partisanship to warp people’s judgment that this bald trickery is getting any traction."
. . .
"The party in power is demanding the investigation and possible
prosecution of its defeated political rival on trumped-up claims of
wrongdoing. This is what happens in banana republics, not the world’s
greatest democracy. Even if this is just a strategy to divert attention,
it is unbecoming of the leaders of a rule-of-law state and a disservice
to their oaths."
https://tinyurl.com/yddbaalp
Dino Lies about Franken - Again
We don't know why Dino lies; but lie he does. It's pathetic.
2702 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 3:04pm -- Thu, Nov 16, 17 pst
. . . Franken said he would welcome an investigation. He never called for one
_______________________________
Now for the truth: From - "Franken releases new statement, calls for ethics investigation of himself"
"Franken in an expanded statement on Thursday apologized for the incident, in which he groped television host and sports broadcaster Leeann Tweeden while she was asleep on a military plane during a 2006 USO tour.
“I understand why we need to listen to and believe women’s experiences,” he said. “I am asking that an ethics investigation be undertaken, and I will gladly cooperate.”
https://tinyurl.com/ybf8xwlg
______________________________________________
We don't know why Dino lies; but lie he does. It's pathetic.
2702 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 3:04pm -- Thu, Nov 16, 17 pst
. . . Franken said he would welcome an investigation. He never called for one
_______________________________
Now for the truth: From - "Franken releases new statement, calls for ethics investigation of himself"
"Franken in an expanded statement on Thursday apologized for the incident, in which he groped television host and sports broadcaster Leeann Tweeden while she was asleep on a military plane during a 2006 USO tour.
“I understand why we need to listen to and believe women’s experiences,” he said. “I am asking that an ethics investigation be undertaken, and I will gladly cooperate.”
https://tinyurl.com/ybf8xwlg
2702 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 3:04pm -- Thu, Nov 16, 17 pst
. . . Franken said he would welcome an investigation. He never called for one
_______________________________
Now for the truth: From - "Franken releases new statement, calls for ethics investigation of himself"
"Franken in an expanded statement on Thursday apologized for the incident, in which he groped television host and sports broadcaster Leeann Tweeden while she was asleep on a military plane during a 2006 USO tour.
“I understand why we need to listen to and believe women’s experiences,” he said. “I am asking that an ethics investigation be undertaken, and I will gladly cooperate.”
https://tinyurl.com/ybf8xwlg
______________________________________________
We don't know why Dino lies; but lie he does. It's pathetic.
2702 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 3:04pm -- Thu, Nov 16, 17 pst
. . . Franken said he would welcome an investigation. He never called for one
_______________________________
Now for the truth: From - "Franken releases new statement, calls for ethics investigation of himself"
"Franken in an expanded statement on Thursday apologized for the incident, in which he groped television host and sports broadcaster Leeann Tweeden while she was asleep on a military plane during a 2006 USO tour.
“I understand why we need to listen to and believe women’s experiences,” he said. “I am asking that an ethics investigation be undertaken, and I will gladly cooperate.”
https://tinyurl.com/ybf8xwlg
Dudley Caught Lying Again
Dudley: Please explain how you changed "tasteless" to "funny."
Here's how I REALLY characterized Franken's joke:
1815 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 10:47am -- Thu, Nov 16, 17 pst
doss - - - - - Follow the money!
Nor is it illegal for a comic to make a tasteless joke.
____________________________________________
Here is Dudley's ''improvement'' on what I posted.
1822 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 10:49am -- Thu, Nov 16, 17 pst
Dudley
Dosset thinks it's funny to act like your grabbing a woman's breast
Here's how I REALLY characterized Franken's joke:
1815 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 10:47am -- Thu, Nov 16, 17 pst
doss - - - - - Follow the money!
Nor is it illegal for a comic to make a tasteless joke.
____________________________________________
Here is Dudley's ''improvement'' on what I posted.
1822 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 10:49am -- Thu, Nov 16, 17 pst
Dudley
Dosset thinks it's funny to act like your grabbing a woman's breast
Tax Cuts Equal Growth? No Way!
Bruce Bartlett, domestic advisor to Ronald Reagan, admits that tax cut trickle-down schemes amount to a "myth." He argues instead that Bill Clinton's tax hike of 1993 was followed by "the most prosperous decade in recent memory."
From "I helped create the GOP tax myth. Trump is wrong: Tax cuts don’t equal growth" which appeared in the Washington Post:
"The flip-side of tax cut mythology is the notion that tax increases are an economic disaster — the reason, in theory, every Republican
in Congress voted against the tax increase proposed by Bill Clinton in
1993. Yet the 1990s was the most prosperous decade in recent memory. At
37.3 percent, aggregate real GDP growth in the 1990s exceeded that in
the 1980s."
http://tinyurl.com/yam9dqov
From "I helped create the GOP tax myth. Trump is wrong: Tax cuts don’t equal growth" which appeared in the Washington Post:
"The flip-side of tax cut mythology is the notion that tax increases are an economic disaster — the reason, in theory, every Republican
in Congress voted against the tax increase proposed by Bill Clinton in
1993. Yet the 1990s was the most prosperous decade in recent memory. At
37.3 percent, aggregate real GDP growth in the 1990s exceeded that in
the 1980s."
http://tinyurl.com/yam9dqov
Carson Finds $520 Billion at HUD?
Not so fast. Let's ask HUD how much Carson "found."
“Overall, the combined adjustments to the consolidated financial statements resulted in a net adjustment of $3 million. . ."
https://www.snopes.com/carson-hud-accounting-errors/
“Overall, the combined adjustments to the consolidated financial statements resulted in a net adjustment of $3 million. . ."
https://www.snopes.com/carson-hud-accounting-errors/
CEOs say "No!" to Investing Trump Tax Cut
When even the WSJ CEO Council refuses to say THEY will invest their tax cuts, you KNOW the Trickle Down VOODOO Witch Doctors have a problem.
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gop-tax-plan-gary-cohn-bill-2017-11
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gop-tax-plan-gary-cohn-bill-2017-11
Wednesday, November 15, 2017
Doss for President?
8888 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 6:58pm -- Wed, Nov 15, 17 pst
doss - - - - - Follow the money!
I've been encouraged many times to run for president.
doss - - - - - Follow the money!
I've been encouraged many times to run for president.
They say, ''You're good looking, smart, well-educated, fair-minded, well-informed, keenly balanced, generous, modest, and you seem to have a finely focused sense of how to address our nation's issues.''
And I say -- ''All the things the right wingers HATE in a progressive. I'd never stand a chance.''
Rhino Comes Clean
7990 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 3:29pm -- Wed, Nov 15, 17 pst
Texas Strong
FAT ASS: no I won't do phone sex with you since you found I am a female.. besides.. I prefer big swinging dicks.. not tiny needle dicks..
Texas Strong
FAT ASS: no I won't do phone sex with you since you found I am a female.. besides.. I prefer big swinging dicks.. not tiny needle dicks..
8008 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 3:30pm -- Wed, Nov 15, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Vamp: I can't believe them.. since they found out I am female.. they both want to do phone sex.. WTH
Planoman and Imzadi's Stupid Chat Tricks
Planoman: Only an abject MORON would claim opinions expressed by columnists in the NYTIMES are the opinions OF the NYTIMES. This goes to Imzadi's Stupid Chat Tricks, BTW. *S*
7458 PM: Planoman [Quote] -- 1:44pm -- Wed, Nov 15, 17 pst
Planoman
Poor Judas......she WRITES for the NY Times and her articles go through
the editor, so it IS the NY Times, idiot
7458 PM: Planoman [Quote] -- 1:44pm -- Wed, Nov 15, 17 pst
Planoman
Poor Judas......she WRITES for the NY Times and her articles go through
the editor, so it IS the NY Times, idiot
Broaderrick Swore Clinton Did NOT Sexually Assault Her
From a report in the Washington Post:
"When Jones's attorneys first subpoenaed her in their sexual harassment lawsuit against the president, Broaddrick swore out an affidavit and testified in a deposition that Clinton did not make unwelcome sexual advances toward her in the late 1970s."
From Juanita Broadderick's sworn affidavit:
"During the 1992 Presidential campaign there were unfounded rumors and
stories circulated that Mr. Clinton had made unwelcome sexual advances
toward me in the late seventies. Newspaper and tabloid reporters hounded
me and my family, seeking corroboration of these tales. I repeatedly
denied the allegations and requested that my family's privacy be
respected. These allegations are untrue and I had hoped that they would
no longer haunt me, or cause further disruption to my family."
http://anusha.com/janedoe5.htm
You may say, "But LATER she changed her story!"
Yes, that's true. And it's also true that OTHER witnesses changed their stories exculpating Clinton AFTER Starr pressured them to lie.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/689312/Starr-team-pressured-me-says-witness.html
_______________________________
8174 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 12:55pm -- Mon, Nov 20, 17 pst
I believe Juanita.
From Juanita Broadderick's sworn affidavit:
"During the 1992 Presidential campaign there were unfounded rumors and
stories circulated that Mr. Clinton had made unwelcome sexual advances
toward me . . . These allegations are untrue . . . "
Trump, DOJ, Putin, and a Banana Republic
Appointing a special counsel to go
after Hillary would send a message to the world: ''Trump has succeeded
in turning the US into another banana republic.''
And Putin would uncork the champagne in celebration.
after Hillary would send a message to the world: ''Trump has succeeded
in turning the US into another banana republic.''
And Putin would uncork the champagne in celebration.
Tuesday, November 14, 2017
WikiLeaks and Junior
From "The Atlantic"
In a report in "The Atlantic," the author describes WikiLeaks as "a radical transparency organization that the American intelligence community believes was chosen by the Russian government to disseminate the information it had hacked."
In other words, an agency working with the Russians to influence the US election.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/
“It is time to call out WikiLeaks for what it really is, a non-state
hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia,”
Reuters reports https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cia-wikileaks/cia-chief-calls-wikileaks-a-hostile-intelligence-service-idUSKBN17F2L8
In a report in "The Atlantic," the author describes WikiLeaks as "a radical transparency organization that the American intelligence community believes was chosen by the Russian government to disseminate the information it had hacked."
In other words, an agency working with the Russians to influence the US election.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/
“It is time to call out WikiLeaks for what it really is, a non-state
hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia,”
Reuters reports https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cia-wikileaks/cia-chief-calls-wikileaks-a-hostile-intelligence-service-idUSKBN17F2L8
IRS Targeting - Progressives? Or Tea Baggers?
The BOLO list ("Be on the look out") the wing nuts claim was used to target the Tea Baggers?
Guess who was president when it was put together?
Did you guess Dubya?
Good guess. *S*
" They said the Obama IRS was corruptly targeting conservative groups for harassment. But that wasn’t true. Whether or not the BOLO list was a good idea, it never had anything to do with Obama. It got its start back in 2004, and during the Obama administration it was mostly used to target liberal groups
." [emphasis added]
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/10/after-four-years-irs-finally-confirms-there-was-no-targeting-of-tea-party-groups/#
Guess who was president when it was put together?
Did you guess Dubya?
Good guess. *S*
" They said the Obama IRS was corruptly targeting conservative groups for harassment. But that wasn’t true. Whether or not the BOLO list was a good idea, it never had anything to do with Obama. It got its start back in 2004, and during the Obama administration it was mostly used to target liberal groups
." [emphasis added]
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/10/after-four-years-irs-finally-confirms-there-was-no-targeting-of-tea-party-groups/#
Planoman, Protests, and Racsm
Planoman: Do you SERIOUSLY believe the March on DC had NOTHING to do with racism? Seriously?
You're kidding; right?
2662 PM: Planoman [Quote] -- 1:40pm -- Tue, Nov 14, 17 pst
Planoman
of course protesting has nothing to do with racism..............
You're kidding; right?
2662 PM: Planoman [Quote] -- 1:40pm -- Tue, Nov 14, 17 pst
Planoman
of course protesting has nothing to do with racism..............
Moore, Pedophiles, and "The Right Thing" to Do
I've posed this question to right wingers about 300 times. So far, not ONE straight answer:
If it turns out Moore IS a pedophile, do you believe he will "do the right thing'' as Trump says HE believes Moore will do?
''The president also believes that if
these allegations are true, Judge Moore will do the right thing and step
aside.'' - Sara Huckabee Sanders -- Trump Press Secretary
If it turns out Moore IS a pedophile, do you believe he will "do the right thing'' as Trump says HE believes Moore will do?
''The president also believes that if
these allegations are true, Judge Moore will do the right thing and step
aside.'' - Sara Huckabee Sanders -- Trump Press Secretary
Moore's Reputation
Read it for yourself. From Charles Bethea, The New Yorker:
''I spoke or messaged with more than a dozen people—including a major
political figure in the state—who told me that they had heard, over the
years, that Moore had been banned from the mall because he repeatedly
badgered teen-age girls. Some say that they heard this at the time,
others in the years since. These people include five members of the
local legal community, two cops who worked in the town, several people
who hung out at the mall in the early eighties, and a number of former
mall employees.''
"Gadsden’s current law-enforcement community could not confirm the
existence of a mall ban on Moore. But two officers I spoke to this
weekend, both of whom asked to remain unnamed, told me that they have
long heard stories about Moore and the mall. “The general knowledge at
the time when I moved here was that this guy is a lawyer cruising the
mall for high-school dates,” one of the officers said. The legal age of
consent in Alabama is sixteen, so it would not be illegal there for a
man in his early thirties to date a girl who was, say, a senior in high
school. But these officers, along with the other people I spoke to, said
that Moore’s presence at the mall was regarded as a problem. “I was told
by a girl who worked at the mall that he’d been run off from there, from
a number of stores. Maybe not legally banned, but run off,” one officer
told me. He also said, “I heard from one girl who had to tell the
manager of a store at the mall to get Moore to leave her alone.”"
"The second officer went further. “A friend of mine told me he was banned
from there,” he said. He added, “I actually voted for Moore. I liked him
at one time. But I’m basically disgusted now, to be honest with you.
Some of the things he’s said recently, I’ve changed my tune completely
about this guy.” He went on, explaining why Moore no longer appeals to
him. “When I heard what he said on ‘Hannity’ the other night,” he said,
referring to an appearance Moore made on Sean Hannity’s radio
show last Friday, “I
almost stood straight up. The thing about how he’s never dated anybody
without their mother’s permission, that appalled me. That made me want
to throw up. Why would you need someone’s permission to date somebody?
I’m probably gonna write in Luther Strange.”"
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/locals-were-troubled-by-roy-moores-interactions-with-teen-girls-at-the-gadsden-mall
''I spoke or messaged with more than a dozen people—including a major
political figure in the state—who told me that they had heard, over the
years, that Moore had been banned from the mall because he repeatedly
badgered teen-age girls. Some say that they heard this at the time,
others in the years since. These people include five members of the
local legal community, two cops who worked in the town, several people
who hung out at the mall in the early eighties, and a number of former
mall employees.''
"Gadsden’s current law-enforcement community could not confirm the
existence of a mall ban on Moore. But two officers I spoke to this
weekend, both of whom asked to remain unnamed, told me that they have
long heard stories about Moore and the mall. “The general knowledge at
the time when I moved here was that this guy is a lawyer cruising the
mall for high-school dates,” one of the officers said. The legal age of
consent in Alabama is sixteen, so it would not be illegal there for a
man in his early thirties to date a girl who was, say, a senior in high
school. But these officers, along with the other people I spoke to, said
that Moore’s presence at the mall was regarded as a problem. “I was told
by a girl who worked at the mall that he’d been run off from there, from
a number of stores. Maybe not legally banned, but run off,” one officer
told me. He also said, “I heard from one girl who had to tell the
manager of a store at the mall to get Moore to leave her alone.”"
"The second officer went further. “A friend of mine told me he was banned
from there,” he said. He added, “I actually voted for Moore. I liked him
at one time. But I’m basically disgusted now, to be honest with you.
Some of the things he’s said recently, I’ve changed my tune completely
about this guy.” He went on, explaining why Moore no longer appeals to
him. “When I heard what he said on ‘Hannity’ the other night,” he said,
referring to an appearance Moore made on Sean Hannity’s radio
show last Friday, “I
almost stood straight up. The thing about how he’s never dated anybody
without their mother’s permission, that appalled me. That made me want
to throw up. Why would you need someone’s permission to date somebody?
I’m probably gonna write in Luther Strange.”"
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/locals-were-troubled-by-roy-moores-interactions-with-teen-girls-at-the-gadsden-mall
US Soldiers and Rape
1474 PM: Jajski [Quote] -- 8:17am -- Tue, Nov 14, 17 pst
Jajski
soldiers are really good at rape and sexual assault ... of adults as well as minors.
Jajski
soldiers are really good at rape and sexual assault ... of adults as well as minors.
Misty, Rightwingers, and Race Issues
6366 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 7:24am -- Mon, Sep 4, 17 pst
Mistysea
When you prove them wrong they bring up race issues.
Mistysea
When you prove them wrong they bring up race issues.
Wichita, Wyatt Earp, and Gun Control
Yes, in the old west of N. America, gun control was very very strict.
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/21907/were-firearms-prohibited-in-dodge-city-kansas-in-the-1870s
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/21907/were-firearms-prohibited-in-dodge-city-kansas-in-the-1870s
Monday, November 13, 2017
Courage?
CaG says the little girl
should have had the courage to face questioning from the Assistant DA
and the DA, and all the other establishment males who'd try to smear
her.
But that HE should get a pass for lacking the courage to answer questions in a chat room.
should have had the courage to face questioning from the Assistant DA
and the DA, and all the other establishment males who'd try to smear
her.
But that HE should get a pass for lacking the courage to answer questions in a chat room.
Rightwingers and Bankruptcy
7463 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] 7:49am -- Sat, Dec 22, 12 PST [iggy]
Oh, I take that back: when I declared bankruptcy I used a lawyer. He was great guy.
6326 PM: Poorboy [Quote] -- 9:24pm -- Tue, Aug 20, 13 PST
Mark (poorboy)
bankruptcy is the only time i've ever had to hire a lawyer
1939 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 7:11am -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Doss: and thank you from the Room KING of Bankruptcy..
Oh, I take that back: when I declared bankruptcy I used a lawyer. He was great guy.
6326 PM: Poorboy [Quote] -- 9:24pm -- Tue, Aug 20, 13 PST
Mark (poorboy)
bankruptcy is the only time i've ever had to hire a lawyer
1939 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 7:11am -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Doss: and thank you from the Room KING of Bankruptcy..
Right Wingers Wish Death on Their Political Opponents
6239 PM: 27 [Quote] -- 6:11am -- Mon, Nov 13, 17 pst
27
Veritas: die.. bitch
27
Veritas: die.. bitch
Sunday, November 12, 2017
Farewell, America
Farewell, America
November 10, 2016 by Neal Gabler
This post first appeared on BillMoyers.com.
America died on Nov. 8, 2016, not with a bang or a whimper, but at its own hand via electoral suicide. We the people chose a man who has shredded our values, our morals, our compassion, our tolerance, our decency, our sense of common purpose, our very identity — all the things that, however tenuously, made a nation out of a country.
Whatever place we now live in is not the same place it was on Nov. 7. No matter how the rest of the world looked at us on Nov. 7, they will now look at us differently. We are likely to be a pariah country. And we are lost for it. As I surveyed the ruin of that country this gray Wednesday morning, I found weary consolation in W.H. Auden’s poem, September 1, 1939, which concludes:
"Defenseless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame."
I hunt for that affirming flame.
This generally has been called the “hate election" because everyone professed to hate both candidates. It turned out to be the hate election because, and let’s not mince words, of the hatefulness of the electorate. In the years to come, we will brace for the violence, the anger, the racism, the misogyny, the xenophobia, the nativism, the white sense of grievance that will undoubtedly be unleashed now that we have destroyed the values that have bound us.
We all knew these hatreds lurked under the thinnest veneer of civility. That civility finally is gone. In its absence, we may realize just how imperative that politesse was. It is the way we managed to coexist.
If there is a single sentence that characterizes the election, it is this: “He says the things I’m thinking." That may be what is so terrifying. Who knew that so many tens of millions of white Americans were thinking unconscionable things about their fellow Americans? Who knew that tens of millions of white men felt so emasculated by women and challenged by minorities? Who knew that after years of seeming progress on race and gender, tens of millions of white Americans lived in seething resentment, waiting for a demagogue to arrive who would legitimize their worst selves and channel them into political power? Perhaps we had been living in a fool’s paradise. Now we aren’t.
This country has survived a civil war, two world wars and a Great Depression. There are many who say we will survive this, too. Maybe we will, but we won’t survive unscathed. We know too much about each other to heal. No more can we pretend that we are exceptional or good or progressive or united. We are none of those things. Nor can we pretend that democracy works and that elections have more-or-less happy endings. Democracy only functions when its participants abide by certain conventions, certain codes of conduct and a respect for the process.
The virus that kills democracy is extremism because extremism disables those codes. Republicans have disrespected the process for decades. They have regarded any Democratic president as illegitimate. They have proudly boasted of preventing popularly elected Democrats from effecting policy and have asserted that only Republicans have the right to determine the nation’s course. They have worked tirelessly to make sure that the government cannot govern and to redefine the purpose of government as prevention rather than effectuation. In short, they haven’t believed in democracy for a long time, and the media never called them out on it.
Democracy can’t cope with extremism. Only violence and time can defeat it. The first is unacceptable, the second takes too long. Though Trump is an extremist, I have a feeling that he will be a very popular president and one likely to be re-elected by a substantial margin, no matter what he does or fails to do. That’s because ever since the days of Ronald Reagan, rhetoric has obviated action, speechifying has superseded governing.
Trump was absolutely correct when he bragged that he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and his supporters wouldn’t care. It was a dictator’s ugly vaunt, but one that recognized this election never was about policy or economics or the “right path/wrong path," or even values. It was about venting. So long as Trump vented their grievances, his all-white supporters didn’t care about anything else. He is smart enough to know that won’t change in the presidency. In fact, it is only likely to intensify. White America, Trump’s America, just wants to hear its anger bellowed. This is one time when the Bully Pulpit will be literal.
The media can’t be let off the hook for enabling an authoritarian to get to the White House. Long before he considered a presidential run, he was a media creation — a regular in the gossip pages, a photo on magazine covers, the bankrupt (morally and otherwise) mogul who hired and fired on The Apprentice. When he ran, the media treated him not as a candidate, but as a celebrity, and so treated him differently from ordinary pols. The media gave him free publicity, trumpeted his shenanigans, blasted out his tweets, allowed him to phone in his interviews, fell into his traps and generally kowtowed until they suddenly discovered that this joke could actually become president.
Just as Trump has shredded our values, our nation and our democracy, he has shredded the media. In this, as in his politics, he is only the latest avatar of a process that began long before his candidacy. Just as the sainted Ronald Reagan created an unbridgeable chasm between rich and poor that the Republicans would later exploit against Democrats, conservatives delegitimized mainstream journalism so they could fill the vacuum.
Retiring conservative talk show host Charlie Sykes complained that after years of bashing from the right wing, the mainstream media no longer could perform their function as reporters, observers, fact dispensers, and even truth tellers, and he said we needed them. Like Goebbels before them, conservatives understood they had to create their own facts, their own truths, their own reality. They have done so, and in so doing effectively destroyed the very idea of objectivity. Trump can lie constantly only because white America has accepted an Orwellian sense of truth — the truth pulled inside out.
With Trump’s election, I think that the ideal of an objective, truthful journalism is dead, never to be revived. Like Nixon and Sarah Palin before him, Trump ran against the media, boomeranging off the public’s contempt for the press. He ran against what he regarded as media elitism and bias, and he ran on the idea that the press disdained working-class white America. Among the many now-widening divides in the country, this is a big one, the divide between the media and working-class whites, because it creates a Wild West of information — a media ecology in which nothing can be believed except what you already believe.
With the mainstream media so delegitimized — a delegitimization for which they bear a good deal of blame, not having had the courage to take on lies and expose false equivalencies — they have very little role to play going forward in our politics. I suspect most of them will surrender to Trumpism — if they were able to normalize Trump as a candidate, they will no doubt normalize him as president.
Cable news may even welcome him as a continuous entertainment and ratings booster. And in any case, like Reagan, he is bulletproof. The media cannot touch him, even if they wanted to. Presumably, there will be some courageous guerillas in the mainstream press, a kind of Resistance, who will try to fact-check him. But there will be few of them, and they will be whistling in the wind. Trump, like all dictators, is his own truth.
What’s more, Trump already has promised to take his war on the press into courtrooms and the halls of Congress. He wants to loosen libel protections, and he has threatened Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos of Amazon with an antitrust suit. Individual journalists have reason to fear him as well. He has already singled out NBC’s Katy Tur, perhaps the best of the television reporters, so that she needed the Secret Service to escort her from one of his rallies. Jewish journalists who have criticized Trump have been subjected to vicious anti-Semitism and intimidation from the white nationalist "alt-right."
For the press, this is likely to be the new normal in an America in which white supremacists, neo-Nazi militias, racists, sexists, homophobes and anti-Semites have been legitimized by a new president who “says what I’m thinking." It will be open season.
This converts the media from reporters to targets, and they have little recourse. Still, if anyone points the way forward, it may be New York Times columnist David Brooks. Brooks is no paragon. He always had seemed to willfully neglect modern Republicanism’s incipient fascism (now no longer incipient), and he was an apologist for conservative self-enrichment and bigotry. But this campaign season, Brooks pretty much dispensed with politics. He seemed to have arrived at the conclusion that no good could possibly come of any of this and retreated into spirituality. What Brooks promoted were values of mutual respect, a bolder sense of civic engagement, an emphasis on community and neighborhood, and overall a belief in trickle-up decency rather than trickle-down economics. He is not hopeful, but he hasn’t lost all hope.
For those of us now languishing in despair, this may be a prescription for rejuvenation. We have lost the country, but by refocusing, we may have gained our own little patch of the world and, more granularly, our own family. For journalists, Brooks may show how political reporting, which, as I said, is likely to be irrelevant in the Trump age, might yield to a broader moral context in which one considers the effect that policy, strategy and governance have not only on our physical and economic well-being but also on our spiritual well-being. In a society that is likely to be fractious and odious, we need a national conversation on values. The media could help start it.
But the disempowered media may have one more role to fill: They must bear witness. Many years from now, future generations will need to know what happened to us and how it happened. They will need to know how disgruntled white Americans, full of self-righteous indignation, found a way to take back a country they felt they were entitled to and which they believed had been lost. They will need to know about the ugliness and evil that destroyed us as a nation after great men like Lincoln and Roosevelt guided us through previous crises and kept our values intact. They will need to know, and they will need a vigorous, engaged, moral media to tell them. They will also need us.
We are not living for ourselves anymore in this country. Now we are living for history.
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