Tuesday, November 21, 2017

Supporter Believes Trump over Jesus Christ

This is unbelievable!

Rhino Claims He's "King of Bankruptcy"

Rhino fesses up. Claims he is the "Room KING of Bankruptcy."

1939   PM:   Rhino   [Quote]     -- 7:11am -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Doss: and thank you from the Room KING of Bankruptcy..

Monday, November 20, 2017

McMaster: Trump Is a "Dope"

 From BuzzFeed:

"Over a July dinner with Oracle CEO Safra Catz — who has been mentioned as a candidate for several potential administration jobs — McMaster bluntly trashed his boss, said the sources, four of whom told BuzzFeed News they heard about the exchange directly from Catz. The top national security official dismissed the president variously as an “idiot” and a “dope” with the intelligence of a “kindergartner,” the sources said."

Remember Jones and Her "Day in Court"?

Woman who accused Trump of sexually assaulting her now wants her day in court.

Right wingers may recall how they USED to champion the notion of a woman having her day in court when it comes to accusing a president of wrong-doing.


We told you THEN that one day you'd regret it.

Now you do.

Sunday, November 19, 2017

Somebody's Going to Jail

5525 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 6:16pm -- Sun, Nov 19, 17 pst
doss - - - - - Follow the money!
In the meantime --- it may take a while for it to sink in --- but eventually the mom and pop middle America types out there are going to begin to figure it out.

The Trump campaign worked WITH Russian operatives to influence the outcome of the election.

Somebody's going to jail.


Mueller has on his staff some of the best forensics specialists in the world when it comes to untangling money-laundering schemes......

My guess is Trump's people are sweating bullets.

''During a recent visit by NBC News, the Trump Ocean Club appeared to be largely empty, with virtually no one in the restaurants at night. The hallways were consistently empty. The lights were off in many of the units after dark. Ventura said most of his clients never intended to live in the Trump Ocean Club.''  

They specialize in getting to the bottom of money laundering schemes.

They really ARE good at it. And Trump is beginning to look like an amateur. 

Yes, an amateur.

Who in his right mind would allow his son to set up a secret meeting in Trump Towers to discuss with Russian operatives a scheme to collude?


I know pickpockets who are more professional.  



Rid of Trump through Legal Channels

5480 PM: Charles [Quote] -- 6:08pm -- Sun, Nov 19, 17 pst
If you want to get rid of trump, do it through the proper legal channels. I'd have no problem with that.

You know the old saying --- ''Be careful what you wish for....''

You got your wish. We have one of the best cops in the world going through proper legal channels.

"Legal Tidal Wave" to Swamp Trump

Former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson makes some good points.
I spent part of my convalescence from a recent illness reading some of the comprehensive timelines of the Russia investigation… In all of this, there is a spectacular accumulation of lies. Lies on disclosure forms. Lies at confirmation hearings. Lies on Twitter. Lies in the White House briefing room. Lies to the FBI. Self-protective lies by the attorney general. Blocking and tackling lies by Vice President Pence. This is, with a few exceptions, a group of people for whom truth, political honor, ethics and integrity mean nothing.
What are the implications? President Trump and others in his administration are about to be hit by a legal tidal wave. We look at the Russia scandal and see lies. A skilled prosecutor sees leverage. People caught in criminal violations make more cooperative witnesses. Robert S. Mueller III and his A-team of investigators have plenty of stupidity and venality to work with. They are investigating an administration riven by internal hatreds — also the prosecutor’s friend. And Trump has already alienated many potential allies in a public contest between himself and Mueller. A number of elected Republicans, particularly in the Senate, would watch this showdown with popcorn.


Rightwingers Lie about Who Wants to Kill Chldren

We've never seen anyone but the MOST EXTREME right winger advocate the killing of children.

MwJohnson lies like a rug.

4226   PM:   Mwjohnson   [Quote]     -- 2:01pm -- Sun, Nov 19, 17 pst
Ahhhh, that's a liberal mindset. Eradicate birth defects by killing children


Who REALLY calls for children to be killed?  Misty, of course.

6611 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 8:06am -- Sat, Jun 26, 10 pst
Jan Brewer should hire the French Foreign Legion to Arizona. She should order them to shoot to kill, on the spot, anyone - man, woman or child, crossing the border illegally.

Saturday, November 18, 2017

Greek Is a Race?

This goes to Imzadi's Stupid Chat Tricks. She may file it under ''M'' for ''moron.''

9593 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 7:30am -- Sat, Nov 18, 17 pst
I changed my race for the weekend. I'm Greek this weekend.

Friday, November 17, 2017

Joyce Vance on Jared's Lack of Candor

Former federal prosecutor, Joyce Vance, calls it "incremental truth-telling."  She says you never get it all at once.

She called it "The Hallmark of the Guilty."

"Groping" vs "Reaching For"

While many in the media are breathlessly reporting that Al Franken was photographed "groping" a sleeping Playboy model, some are reporting that the photograph REALLY depicts:

"Her column detailing the incident was complete with a photograph of Franken reaching for her breasts while she was asleep."
 In case you didn't notice, Business Insider characterizes Franken as "reaching for her breasts."  Not "touching," "groping," "grabbing," "rubbing," "massaging," or "pinching."

Just "reaching for."  You know -- like on stage an actor will thrust with a sword and pass it BY the supposed victim. Yes, just an act. He's not REALLY stabbing that guy. He's just acting.


Right Wingers and Christian Morality

5587 PM: Maggie [Quote] -- 9:13am -- Fri, Nov 17, 17 pst
“I would rather vote for a molester than a Democrat.”
“I would rather vote for a pedophile than a Democrat.”
“I would rather vote for a thief and murderer than a Democrat.”
“Why don’t you guys like Democrats?”
“Because they don’t understand our deeply held Christian morality!”

More Right Wing Homophobia

The sexual orientation of a reporter's audience is important to Misty because?

5542 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 8:12am -- Fri, Nov 17, 17 pst
Smith has always been an overt democrat. He has the largest number of gay followers than any host on tv.

"I Don't Recall"

Reagan used the "I don't recall" meme 88 times in 8 hours. That's eleven "I don't recall's" PER HOUR.


MwJohnson and Respect for Women

M W JOHNSON. . . . Line #1982 . . . . Sat, Aug 5, 6:49AM PDT
KANG....I have had the "urge"to rape (I assume all men have). I can tell you that "power"over another person NEVER entered my mind. I just wanted to get my rocks off.

M W JOHNSON. . . . Line #4620 . . . . Sun, Jul 23, 8:51AM PDT
I can look really cute in a dress. I have nice legs & can wear a really short skirt because....well....never mind (perhaps I have said too much already).

M W JOHNSON . . . . Line #4620 . . . . Sun, Jul 23, 8:59AM PDT
I prefer really dumb women (which doesn't explain why I married my overly intelligent wife). Normally, I like them to have an I.D. just above a carpet, only able to mouth the words, "Yes, don't stop" and "You're so big Daddy I can't hardly stand it"

M W JOHNSON . . . Line #4515 . . . . Sat, Mar 10, 12:31AM PDT
INTREPID....We held a girl down on the ground & felt her up in elementary school (circa 1968)

M W JOHNSON . . . . Line #4304 . . . . Sat, Feb 5, 6:15AM PST
PROPHET....Who in the heck cares about Nice Girls (men want sluts -an important safety tip for you married gals)

Pro Life?

5286 PM: Prapius [Quote] -- 7:21am -- Fri, Nov 17, 17 pst

"Act Like"?

Dudley just fucked up. He let it slip that Franken didn't assault her.

He just ACTED like he was going to touch her.


Even a lying ass Flying Monkey let's the truth slip now and then. *S*

5018 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 6:10am -- Fri, Nov 17, 17 pst
Red, no, he just thought it would be funny to act like he's grabbing her breasts while she slept.


Dudley: You DO know what an "act" is; right?

Like in "Julius Caesar" you KNOW they're not really stabbing that actor; right?

Thursday, November 16, 2017

Uranium Smear Is a Hoax

"DID HILLARY CLINTON sell the country’s uranium to Russia in return for donations to the Clinton Foundation? Did the Democrats collude with Russian nationals to tip the election against Donald Trump? 

No, and no. Which raises a third question: Why is any of this relevant, particularly now? A fair look at the facts suggests only one option. President Trump needs a distraction, and his surrogates, some Republican members of Congress, right-wing media and even some people in mainstream outlets are helping him gin up outrage against a woman who is not, was never and will never be president. It is a measure of the power of partisanship to warp people’s judgment that this bald trickery is getting any traction."
. . .

"The party in power is demanding the investigation and possible prosecution of its defeated political rival on trumped-up claims of wrongdoing. This is what happens in banana republics, not the world’s greatest democracy. Even if this is just a strategy to divert attention, it is unbecoming of the leaders of a rule-of-law state and a disservice to their oaths."

Dino Lies about Franken - Again

We don't know why Dino lies; but lie he does. It's pathetic.
2702 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 3:04pm -- Thu, Nov 16, 17 pst
. . . Franken said he would welcome an investigation. He never called for one

Now for the truth: From - "Franken releases new statement, calls for ethics investigation of himself" 

"Franken in an expanded statement on Thursday apologized for the incident, in which he groped television host and sports broadcaster Leeann Tweeden while she was asleep on a military plane during a 2006 USO tour.

“I understand why we need to listen to and believe women’s experiences,” he said. “I am asking that an ethics investigation be undertaken, and I will gladly cooperate.”



We don't know why Dino lies; but lie he does.  It's pathetic.

2702   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 3:04pm -- Thu, Nov 16, 17 pst
. . .  Franken said he would welcome an investigation. He never called for one

Now for the truth:  From  - "Franken releases new statement, calls for ethics investigation of himself"

"Franken in an expanded statement on Thursday apologized for the incident, in which he groped television host and sports broadcaster Leeann Tweeden while she was asleep on a military plane during a 2006 USO tour.

“I understand why we need to listen to and believe women’s experiences,” he said. “I am asking that an ethics investigation be undertaken, and I will gladly cooperate.”


Dudley Caught Lying Again

Dudley: Please explain how you changed "tasteless" to "funny."

Here's how I REALLY characterized Franken's joke:

1815 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 10:47am -- Thu, Nov 16, 17 pst
doss - - - - - Follow the money!
Nor is it illegal for a comic to make a tasteless joke.


Here is Dudley's ''improvement'' on what I posted.

1822 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 10:49am -- Thu, Nov 16, 17 pst
Dosset thinks it's funny to act like your grabbing a woman's breast

Tax Cuts Equal Growth? No Way!

Bruce Bartlett, domestic advisor to Ronald Reagan, admits that tax cut trickle-down schemes amount to a "myth." He argues instead that Bill Clinton's tax hike of 1993 was followed by "the most prosperous decade in recent memory."

From "I helped create the GOP tax myth. Trump is wrong: Tax cuts don’t equal growth" which appeared in the Washington Post:

"The flip-side of tax cut mythology is the notion that tax increases are an economic disaster — the reason, in theory, every Republican in Congress voted against the tax increase proposed by Bill Clinton in 1993. Yet the 1990s was the most prosperous decade in recent memory. At 37.3 percent, aggregate real GDP growth in the 1990s exceeded that in the 1980s."


Carson Finds $520 Billion at HUD?

Not so fast. Let's ask HUD how much Carson "found."

“Overall, the combined adjustments to the consolidated financial statements resulted in a net adjustment of $3 million. . ."


CEOs say "No!" to Investing Trump Tax Cut

When even the WSJ CEO Council refuses to say THEY will invest their tax cuts, you KNOW the Trickle Down VOODOO Witch Doctors have a problem.


Wednesday, November 15, 2017

Doss for President?

8888 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 6:58pm -- Wed, Nov 15, 17 pst
doss - - - - - Follow the money!
I've been encouraged many times to run for president.

They say, ''You're good looking, smart, well-educated, fair-minded, well-informed, keenly balanced, generous, modest, and you seem to have a finely focused sense of how to address our nation's issues.''

And I say -- ''All the things the right wingers HATE in a progressive. I'd never stand a chance.''

Rhino Comes Clean

7990 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 3:29pm -- Wed, Nov 15, 17 pst
Texas Strong
FAT ASS: no I won't do phone sex with you since you found I am a female.. besides.. I prefer big swinging dicks.. not tiny needle dicks..

8008 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 3:30pm -- Wed, Nov 15, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Vamp: I can't believe them.. since they found out I am female.. they both want to do phone sex.. WTH

Planoman and Imzadi's Stupid Chat Tricks

Planoman:  Only an abject MORON would claim opinions expressed by columnists in the NYTIMES are the opinions OF the NYTIMES. This goes to Imzadi's Stupid Chat Tricks, BTW. *S*

7458   PM:   Planoman   [Quote]     -- 1:44pm -- Wed, Nov 15, 17 pst
Poor Judas......she WRITES for the NY Times and her articles go through
the editor, so it IS the NY Times, idiot

Broaderrick Swore Clinton Did NOT Sexually Assault Her

From a report in the Washington Post: 

"When Jones's attorneys first subpoenaed her in their sexual harassment lawsuit against the president, Broaddrick swore out an affidavit and testified in a deposition that Clinton did not make unwelcome sexual advances toward her in the late 1970s."

From Juanita Broadderick's sworn affidavit:

"During the 1992 Presidential campaign there were unfounded rumors and stories circulated that Mr. Clinton had made unwelcome sexual advances toward me in the late seventies. Newspaper and tabloid reporters hounded me and my family, seeking corroboration of these tales. I repeatedly denied the allegations and requested that my family's privacy be respected. These allegations are untrue and I had hoped that they would no longer haunt me, or cause further disruption to my family."


You may say, "But LATER she changed her story!"

Yes, that's true. And it's also true that OTHER witnesses changed their stories exculpating Clinton AFTER Starr pressured them to lie.


8174 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 12:55pm -- Mon, Nov 20, 17 pst
I believe Juanita.

From Juanita Broadderick's sworn affidavit:

"During the 1992 Presidential campaign there were unfounded rumors and stories circulated that Mr. Clinton had made unwelcome sexual advances toward me . . . These allegations are untrue . . . "

Trump, DOJ, Putin, and a Banana Republic

Appointing a special counsel to go after Hillary would send a message to the world: ''Trump has succeeded in turning the US into another banana republic.''

And Putin would uncork the champagne in celebration.

Tuesday, November 14, 2017

WikiLeaks and Junior

From "The Atlantic"

In a report in "The Atlantic," the author describes WikiLeaks as "a radical transparency organization that the American intelligence community believes was chosen by the Russian government to disseminate the information it had hacked."

In other words, an agency working with the Russians to influence the US election.


“It is time to call out WikiLeaks for what it really is, a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia,”

Reuters reports https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cia-wikileaks/cia-chief-calls-wikileaks-a-hostile-intelligence-service-idUSKBN17F2L8

IRS Targeting - Progressives? Or Tea Baggers?

The BOLO list ("Be on the look out") the wing nuts claim was used to target the Tea Baggers?

Guess who was president when it was put together?

Did you guess Dubya?

Good guess. *S*

" They said the Obama IRS was corruptly targeting conservative groups for harassment. But that wasn’t true. Whether or not the BOLO list was a good idea, it never had anything to do with Obama. It got its start back in 2004, and during the Obama administration it was mostly used to target liberal groups
." [emphasis added]


Planoman, Protests, and Racsm

Planoman:  Do you SERIOUSLY believe the March on DC had NOTHING to do with racism? Seriously?

You're kidding; right?

2662   PM:   Planoman   [Quote]     -- 1:40pm -- Tue, Nov 14, 17 pst
of course protesting has nothing to do with racism..............

Moore, Pedophiles, and "The Right Thing" to Do

I've posed this question to right wingers about 300 times. So far, not ONE straight answer:

If it turns out Moore IS a pedophile, do you believe he will "do the right thing'' as Trump says HE believes Moore will do?

''The president also believes that if these allegations are true, Judge Moore will do the right thing and step aside.'' - Sara Huckabee Sanders -- Trump Press Secretary

Moore's Reputation

Read it for yourself. From Charles Bethea, The New Yorker:

''I spoke or messaged with more than a dozen people—including a major political figure in the state—who told me that they had heard, over the years, that Moore had been banned from the mall because he repeatedly badgered teen-age girls. Some say that they heard this at the time, others in the years since. These people include five members of the local legal community, two cops who worked in the town, several people who hung out at the mall in the early eighties, and a number of former mall employees.'' 

"Gadsden’s current law-enforcement community could not confirm the existence of a mall ban on Moore. But two officers I spoke to this weekend, both of whom asked to remain unnamed, told me that they have long heard stories about Moore and the mall. “The general knowledge at the time when I moved here was that this guy is a lawyer cruising the mall for high-school dates,” one of the officers said. The legal age of consent in Alabama is sixteen, so it would not be illegal there for a man in his early thirties to date a girl who was, say, a senior in high school. But these officers, along with the other people I spoke to, said that Moore’s presence at the mall was regarded as a problem. “I was told by a girl who worked at the mall that he’d been run off from there, from a number of stores. Maybe not legally banned, but run off,” one officer told me. He also said, “I heard from one girl who had to tell the manager of a store at the mall to get Moore to leave her alone.”"

"The second officer went further. “A friend of mine told me he was banned from there,” he said. He added, “I actually voted for Moore. I liked him at one time. But I’m basically disgusted now, to be honest with you. Some of the things he’s said recently, I’ve changed my tune completely about this guy.” He went on, explaining why Moore no longer appeals to him. “When I heard what he said on ‘Hannity’ the other night,” he said, referring to an appearance Moore made on Sean Hannity’s radio show last Friday, “I almost stood straight up. The thing about how he’s never dated anybody without their mother’s permission, that appalled me. That made me want to throw up. Why would you need someone’s permission to date somebody? I’m probably gonna write in Luther Strange.”"



US Soldiers and Rape

1474 PM: Jajski [Quote] -- 8:17am -- Tue, Nov 14, 17 pst
soldiers are really good at rape and sexual assault ... of adults as well as minors.

Misty, Rightwingers, and Race Issues

6366 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 7:24am -- Mon, Sep 4, 17 pst
When you prove them wrong they bring up race issues.

Wichita, Wyatt Earp, and Gun Control

Yes, in the old west of N. America, gun control was very very strict.


Monday, November 13, 2017


CaG says the little girl should have had the courage to face questioning from the Assistant DA and the DA, and all the other establishment males who'd try to smear her.

But that HE should get a pass for lacking the courage to answer questions in a chat room.

Rightwingers and Bankruptcy

7463   PM:   Mwjohnson   [Quote]       7:49am -- Sat, Dec 22, 12 PST   [iggy]
Oh, I take that back: when I declared bankruptcy I used a lawyer. He was great guy.

6326 PM: Poorboy [Quote] -- 9:24pm -- Tue, Aug 20, 13 PST
Mark (poorboy)
bankruptcy is the only time i've ever had to hire a lawyer

1939 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 7:11am -- Tue, Nov 21, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Doss: and thank you from the Room KING of Bankruptcy.. 

Right Wingers Wish Death on Their Political Opponents

6239 PM: 27 [Quote] -- 6:11am -- Mon, Nov 13, 17 pst 27
 Veritas: die.. bitch

Sunday, November 12, 2017

Farewell, America

Farewell, America

November 10, 2016 by
This post first appeared on BillMoyers.com.

America died on Nov. 8, 2016, not with a bang or a whimper, but at its own hand via electoral suicide. We the people chose a man who has shredded our values, our morals, our compassion, our tolerance, our decency, our sense of common purpose, our very identity — all the things that, however tenuously, made a nation out of a country.

Whatever place we now live in is not the same place it was on Nov. 7. No matter how the rest of the world looked at us on Nov. 7, they will now look at us differently. We are likely to be a pariah country. And we are lost for it. As I surveyed the ruin of that country this gray Wednesday morning, I found weary consolation in W.H. Auden’s poem, September 1, 1939, which concludes:

"Defenseless under the night Our world in stupor lies; Yet, dotted everywhere, Ironic points of light Flash out wherever the Just Exchange their messages: May I, composed like them Of Eros and of dust, Beleaguered by the same Negation and despair, Show an affirming flame."

I hunt for that affirming flame.

This generally has been called the “hate election" because everyone professed to hate both candidates. It turned out to be the hate election because, and let’s not mince words, of the hatefulness of the electorate. In the years to come, we will brace for the violence, the anger, the racism, the misogyny, the xenophobia, the nativism, the white sense of grievance that will undoubtedly be unleashed now that we have destroyed the values that have bound us.

We all knew these hatreds lurked under the thinnest veneer of civility. That civility finally is gone. In its absence, we may realize just how imperative that politesse was. It is the way we managed to coexist.

If there is a single sentence that characterizes the election, it is this: “He says the things I’m thinking." That may be what is so terrifying. Who knew that so many tens of millions of white Americans were thinking unconscionable things about their fellow Americans? Who knew that tens of millions of white men felt so emasculated by women and challenged by minorities? Who knew that after years of seeming progress on race and gender, tens of millions of white Americans lived in seething resentment, waiting for a demagogue to arrive who would legitimize their worst selves and channel them into political power? Perhaps we had been living in a fool’s paradise. Now we aren’t.

This country has survived a civil war, two world wars and a Great Depression. There are many who say we will survive this, too. Maybe we will, but we won’t survive unscathed. We know too much about each other to heal. No more can we pretend that we are exceptional or good or progressive or united. We are none of those things. Nor can we pretend that democracy works and that elections have more-or-less happy endings. Democracy only functions when its participants abide by certain conventions, certain codes of conduct and a respect for the process.

The virus that kills democracy is extremism because extremism disables those codes. Republicans have disrespected the process for decades. They have regarded any Democratic president as illegitimate. They have proudly boasted of preventing popularly elected Democrats from effecting policy and have asserted that only Republicans have the right to determine the nation’s course. They have worked tirelessly to make sure that the government cannot govern and to redefine the purpose of government as prevention rather than effectuation. In short, they haven’t believed in democracy for a long time, and the media never called them out on it.

Democracy can’t cope with extremism. Only violence and time can defeat it. The first is unacceptable, the second takes too long. Though Trump is an extremist, I have a feeling that he will be a very popular president and one likely to be re-elected by a substantial margin, no matter what he does or fails to do. That’s because ever since the days of Ronald Reagan, rhetoric has obviated action, speechifying has superseded governing.

Trump was absolutely correct when he bragged that he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and his supporters wouldn’t care. It was a dictator’s ugly vaunt, but one that recognized this election never was about policy or economics or the “right path/wrong path," or even values. It was about venting. So long as Trump vented their grievances, his all-white supporters didn’t care about anything else. He is smart enough to know that won’t change in the presidency. In fact, it is only likely to intensify. White America, Trump’s America, just wants to hear its anger bellowed. This is one time when the Bully Pulpit will be literal.

The media can’t be let off the hook for enabling an authoritarian to get to the White House. Long before he considered a presidential run, he was a media creation — a regular in the gossip pages, a photo on magazine covers, the bankrupt (morally and otherwise) mogul who hired and fired on The Apprentice. When he ran, the media treated him not as a candidate, but as a celebrity, and so treated him differently from ordinary pols. The media gave him free publicity, trumpeted his shenanigans, blasted out his tweets, allowed him to phone in his interviews, fell into his traps and generally kowtowed until they suddenly discovered that this joke could actually become president.

Just as Trump has shredded our values, our nation and our democracy, he has shredded the media. In this, as in his politics, he is only the latest avatar of a process that began long before his candidacy. Just as the sainted Ronald Reagan created an unbridgeable chasm between rich and poor that the Republicans would later exploit against Democrats, conservatives delegitimized mainstream journalism so they could fill the vacuum.

Retiring conservative talk show host Charlie Sykes complained that after years of bashing from the right wing, the mainstream media no longer could perform their function as reporters, observers, fact dispensers, and even truth tellers, and he said we needed them. Like Goebbels before them, conservatives understood they had to create their own facts, their own truths, their own reality. They have done so, and in so doing effectively destroyed the very idea of objectivity. Trump can lie constantly only because white America has accepted an Orwellian sense of truth — the truth pulled inside out.

With Trump’s election, I think that the ideal of an objective, truthful journalism is dead, never to be revived. Like Nixon and Sarah Palin before him, Trump ran against the media, boomeranging off the public’s contempt for the press. He ran against what he regarded as media elitism and bias, and he ran on the idea that the press disdained working-class white America. Among the many now-widening divides in the country, this is a big one, the divide between the media and working-class whites, because it creates a Wild West of information — a media ecology in which nothing can be believed except what you already believe.

With the mainstream media so delegitimized — a delegitimization for which they bear a good deal of blame, not having had the courage to take on lies and expose false equivalencies — they have very little role to play going forward in our politics. I suspect most of them will surrender to Trumpism — if they were able to normalize Trump as a candidate, they will no doubt normalize him as president.

Cable news may even welcome him as a continuous entertainment and ratings booster. And in any case, like Reagan, he is bulletproof. The media cannot touch him, even if they wanted to. Presumably, there will be some courageous guerillas in the mainstream press, a kind of Resistance, who will try to fact-check him. But there will be few of them, and they will be whistling in the wind. Trump, like all dictators, is his own truth.

What’s more, Trump already has promised to take his war on the press into courtrooms and the halls of Congress. He wants to loosen libel protections, and he has threatened Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos of Amazon with an antitrust suit. Individual journalists have reason to fear him as well. He has already singled out NBC’s Katy Tur, perhaps the best of the television reporters, so that she needed the Secret Service to escort her from one of his rallies. Jewish journalists who have criticized Trump have been subjected to vicious anti-Semitism and intimidation from the white nationalist "alt-right."

For the press, this is likely to be the new normal in an America in which white supremacists, neo-Nazi militias, racists, sexists, homophobes and anti-Semites have been legitimized by a new president who “says what I’m thinking." It will be open season.

This converts the media from reporters to targets, and they have little recourse. Still, if anyone points the way forward, it may be New York Times columnist David Brooks. Brooks is no paragon. He always had seemed to willfully neglect modern Republicanism’s incipient fascism (now no longer incipient), and he was an apologist for conservative self-enrichment and bigotry. But this campaign season, Brooks pretty much dispensed with politics. He seemed to have arrived at the conclusion that no good could possibly come of any of this and retreated into spirituality. What Brooks promoted were values of mutual respect, a bolder sense of civic engagement, an emphasis on community and neighborhood, and overall a belief in trickle-up decency rather than trickle-down economics. He is not hopeful, but he hasn’t lost all hope.

For those of us now languishing in despair, this may be a prescription for rejuvenation. We have lost the country, but by refocusing, we may have gained our own little patch of the world and, more granularly, our own family. For journalists, Brooks may show how political reporting, which, as I said, is likely to be irrelevant in the Trump age, might yield to a broader moral context in which one considers the effect that policy, strategy and governance have not only on our physical and economic well-being but also on our spiritual well-being. In a society that is likely to be fractious and odious, we need a national conversation on values. The media could help start it.

But the disempowered media may have one more role to fill: They must bear witness. Many years from now, future generations will need to know what happened to us and how it happened. They will need to know how disgruntled white Americans, full of self-righteous indignation, found a way to take back a country they felt they were entitled to and which they believed had been lost. They will need to know about the ugliness and evil that destroyed us as a nation after great men like Lincoln and Roosevelt guided us through previous crises and kept our values intact. They will need to know, and they will need a vigorous, engaged, moral media to tell them. They will also need us.

We are not living for ourselves anymore in this country. Now we are living for history.

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Trump as Wizard of Oz

Trust a Pedophile to Do the Right Thing?

Hara Suckabee Sanders: ''The president also believes that if these allegations are true, Judge Moore will do the right thing and step aside.''

 Let's unpack that.

She's saying, if this guy is in fact a pedophile, he will do the right thing.

What? If he's a pedophile, he is BY DEFINITION willing to do the WRONG thing.

Their stories aren't adding up.

How can we trust a pedophile to do the right thing?

PREDICTION: They won't give us a straight answer. 

Saturday, November 11, 2017

Former Mueller Deputy Speaks of His Work

"How Robert Mueller Works a Case"

"He knows these guys are not seasoned criminals. And he knows they're going to roll over on each other. Mark my words; it will start becoming a race to the special counsel's office."  - Robert Anderson, Former FBI Assistant Director of Counterintelligence - November 9, 2017

Friday, November 10, 2017

Trump, Flynn, Comey, Obstruction of Justice

From the NYTIMES:

"WASHINGTON — President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.
“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo."


Sunnybelle and Hypocrisy

Do you all remember how Sunny came to Hillary's rescue? How she scolded her right winger friends for pronouncing Hillary guilty when there was no proof she'd broken any law? Remember how bold and noble she was then?

I don't either.

6770   PM:   Sunnybelle   [Quote]     -- 6:26pm -- Fri, Nov 10, 17 pst
 . . .  they should be PROVEN . . . before suffering in any way. accusations are cheap and unfortunately, a weapon some are willing to wield.

Go After the Victims!

''If [Moore's accusers] believe this man is predatory, they are guilty of allowing him to exist for 40 years . . . someone should prosecute and go after them.'' - Ed Henry -- Alabama GOP State Rep  



Along this same line, Angelaa says the witnesses (the victims, their friends, and their families) are "guilty."  None of this "innocent until proven guilty" stuff for the victims and their allies. Nosirreee...Bob.
Angelaa: The victims shared their stories at the time with families and friends; you now pronounce them guilty. Odd, eh?

You guys say Moore is "innocent until proven guilty."  But you pronounce the victims and their friends and families "guilty of something or another."

Interesting double standard:  You go to bat for the accused pedophile; but accuse the victim and their families of being "guilty."

9086   PM:   Angelaa   [Quote]     -- 9:55am -- Sat, Nov 11, 17 pst
Doss: So the witnesses are guilty of something or another...
From ''The Memphis Flyer'' -

"The truth is, anyone in this administration who wants to keep their job has to be willing to lie for their boss. For example, at Trump's direction, Vice President Mike Pence spent tax-payer money to fly across country to a football game just so he could walk out during the national anthem. Pence's soul (such as it is) has long been sold.

And let's not forget Kellyanne Conway, perhaps the most enthusiastic liar ever to appear on the national stage. Or Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who's lied to Congress twice to protect his boss (and his own butt). And there's Trump's chief of staff, General John Kelly — once perceived as a beacon of truth and integrity in this administration — who's now been outed as someone willing to make up lies for his boss, and defend them, even after they've been disproven."


Dino and Perversion

4501 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 9:28am -- Fri, Nov 10, 17 pst
Remember Barney Frank? Now there was a sex pervert!
Did he admit to being parpus's lover?

9869 PM: Dino -- Sun, Mar 21 5:20am PST
No need to ask.....Prap and I are LOVERS!!!!

Thursday, November 09, 2017

Dwight to Clinton's Defense?

Dwight: I PROMISE you will see this again.

1946 PM: Dwightvol [Quote] -- 6:06pm -- Thu, Nov 9, 17 pst
Allegations are not proof.

Dino's Standards

640 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 1:45pm -- Thu, Nov 9, 17 pst How does one prove a she said he said accusation?
You mean like when you claim Hillary said something she didn't say? Well, in YOUR case, you don't even try to prove it.

Rhino Melts Down

4718   PM:   Rhino   [Quote]     -- 9:48am -- Fri, Sep 1, 17 pst
GOD Bless Texas. Veritas: yes.. vamp is a man.. and I have kissed that man

1740 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 3:22pm -- Mon, Oct 9, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Doss: yupper.. vamp is another swinging dick

9623 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 9:55am -- Thu, Nov 9, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Vamp is a guy.. wow.. y'all are so rich.. in bullshit

Rhino, Government "Tit" and Hypocrisy

8942 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 6:29am -- Thu, Nov 9, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Deltamike: hey.. he enjoys sucking on the government tit

3566 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 6:24am -- Mon, Jul 31, 17 pst
Doss: nope.. cause now I am sucking on the tit..
[ quoted: Doss - Rhino Just curious to know if you condemn govt tit sucking in all cases except Vamps ]


Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E?  

Rhino and His Lies

BTW -- when Rhino shows I ever declared bankruptcy, I'll show that he did 10 years for selling crack cocaine to school children. 

That is an absolute promise. 

Now watch him dance. *S*

Flynn? To the Gallows?

Espionage?  Capital crime? From Patribotics :

"Retired Lt. Gen. Flynn broke down and sobbed, sources familiar with the matter said, when faced with the extent of the signals intelligence, or SIGINT, against himself and Mike Flynn Jr. Senior law enforcement officials presented Donald Trump’s former National Security adviser, already indicted at the time for failure to register as a foreign agent of Turkey, with irrefutable evidence of espionage committed on behalf of the Russian state by both himself and his son and business partner, Mike Flynn Jr. Espionage is a capital crime."


Dudley's Standards

8583 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 4:49am -- Thu, Nov 9, 17 pst
 . . . I think your're lying and I'm calling your bluff. Now to prove you're not lying I will need that url.

8637 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 4:55am -- Thu, Nov 9, 17 pst
Still no url? Liar it is then.

8673 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 5:00am -- Thu, Nov 9, 17 pst 
If you keep using my own posts to expose me, I'm going to ask that you be banned from this chat room.

Wednesday, November 08, 2017

Do What's Right!

7637   PM:   Doss   [Quote]     -- 6:44pm -- Wed, Nov 8, 17 pst

doss - - - One Felony Conviction Down -- Many MORE to COME. Go, Mueller!
What I want to see is a repeat of this just happened election.

Motivate, activate, expand, explain.....get them OUT to vote.

If we get our side out to vote, we will win. We know that; and the GOP
knows that.....thus voter suppression.

Forge ahead, Democrats.

Don't let Putin, Trump, and the Flying Monkeys stop you.

Do what's right.

Stand up for what's right.

Gumbo Nails It

7418 PM: Gumbo [Quote] -- 5:18pm -- Wed, Nov 8, 17 pst I smell not only the usual mendacity from the Republicans here this evening. I smell something mixed with it: desperation. They're sweating both now. The lies are coming home to bite them in the ass. And like rats, they feel like their ship is sinking.

Why the Right Loses Arguments

The right has several problems.

 1) They embrace views and policies that are indefensible.

 2) They are too dishonest to admit they can't defend their views.

 3) They make up lies to cover for the fact that their views are indefensible.

 4) More -- as applies.....

Ridicule Linked to Hate?

7151 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 4:00pm -- Wed, Nov 8, 17 pst But ridicule has an element of hatred.

Brazile Says the Primaries were NOT Rigged

Any of you right wingers care to tackle this one?

Two people express an opinion about whether the Democratic primaries were ''rigged.''

One investigated the matter; one didn't.

Of the two, which will you believe?


Another way of looking at it:

Press: "Lt. Columbo, do you have an opinion on who did this murder?"

Columbo: "No, but I've investigated it, and I've concluded Mr. Black did NOT do it."

Press: "What about you Sgt. Warren?  Did Mr. Black do it?"

Sgt. Warren: "I've NOT investigated the matter, but I have concluded that Mr. Black did it."

Yes, They Make Up This Shit

4020 PM: Prapius [Quote] -- 5:04am -- Wed, Nov 8, 17 pst 

Monday, November 06, 2017

It's Wrong to Be Paid to Make a Speech?

"An examination of the highest speaking fees ever paid puts Donald Trump Donald Trump on top with the staggering $1.5 million the Learning Annex paid him for each speech he delivered at the company’s real estate “wealth expos” in 2006 and 2007 . . ."


Trump's Russia Ties

Rigged? Not Quite

"No, the DNC didn’t ‘rig’ the Democratic primary for Hillary Clinton." It is "not unheard of, for a national committee to align with a candidate before he or she wins the nomination. One example was the 1992 Republican primary, when incumbent President George H.W. Bush faced a primary challenge from Pat Buchanan and the RNC openly stated that “the chairman is 100 percent behind George Bush and so is the committee.”" "Brazile states that as Al Gore’s campaign manager, she did not start “inserting” staff into the DNC until June 2000. While this is technically true, it misrepresents the level of control Gore already had over the DNC before the 2000 primaries began: By 1999, the DNC’s senior staff was dominated by Democratic politicos with long-standing relations to Gore — including both co-chairmen, the finance chair and one of the senior advisers. Thus, while the DNC did not endorse Gore, it clearly preferred him in the 2000 primaries."


Wait: There is more.

"I had tried to search out any other evidence of internal corruption that would show that the DNC was rigging the system to throw the primary to Hillary, but I could not find any in party affairs or among the staff. I had gone department by department, investigating individual conduct for evidence of skewed decisions, and I was happy to see that I had found none."


“I found no instances that the party rigged the process, and I wanted to make sure Bernie and his supporters understood that."


Friday, November 03, 2017

This Feels Different for Some Reason

They saw what happened to Papa and to Manafort and Gates.

They know too that at least ONE OTHER witness has stepped forward to confirm the briefing of Trump and Sessions on the back-channel collusion between Trump campaign staff and the Kremlin

We're getting into real treacherous territory now that it involves possible espionage.

They're going to start singing like birds.

Dino Lies

2039   PM:   Doss   [Quote]     -- 1:36pm -- Fri, Nov 3, 17 pst
doss - - - - - Follow the money!
Later, like a lying flying monkey troll, Dino will deny he asked for proof.

Dino. You will see this again.

2026 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 1:34pm -- Fri, Nov 3, 17 pst
Got proof?

Sessions Is in Trouble

He's about to be "plastered."

Papadopolous Pitched Conspiracy Scheme to Trump in Person

Eye witnesses state that Trump was briefed on his campaign's back channel conspiracy with Kremlin operatives.

Mueller will question every person sitting at that table that day when Papadopolous pitched the conspiracy to Trump.

He will take their testimony separately so they can't hear what the others are saying.

He will find out who's lying and who's telling the truth.

And you guys are NOT going to like it.

Thursday, November 02, 2017

Why They Hate the Clintons

Yes, they hate the Clintons for a lot of reasons.

They hate them for having a strong marriage. Unlike Reagan, for
instance, they've never been divorced.

They hate them for wanting to bring affordable health care to the poor.

They hate Bill for focusing on terrorism at the same time the GOP was trying to destroy him over a trumped up domestic scandal.

They hate her for speaking AGAINST attacking Iraq.

They hate her for predicting proposed GOP cuts to State Dept security would cause problems.

They hate her for telling the truth about what happened in Benghazi.

They hate her for being right on just about every political issue that's come down the pike.

And they hate her for being strong; for standing up to their attacks; and for weathering their smears.

And, you're right. They hate her for coming out of the trumped up scandals, not only surviving politically, but achieving enormous success financially.

Flying Monkeys and Polls

6069 PM:  Raven [Quote]  -- 1:09pm -- Thu, Nov 2, 17 pst
Flying monkey Trolls still posting polls!!!

November 1, 2017: "I just got fantastic poll numbers," Trump said. "I'm in the office early and leave late; it's very smooth." - Donald Trump --- apparently a flying monkey according to Dino.


Trump Appoints "a Nobody"

If he was a ''nobody,'' why did Trump go out of his way to introduce him to the Washington Post as Trump's ''excellent'' choice to serve on a critical foreign policy advisory panel?

Trump would appoint ''a nobody''? Really? Trump is THAT fucking stupid? Is that your case?

5416 PM: Planoman [Quote] -- 11:01am -- Thu, Nov 2, 17 pst
Judas.....he was never paid, he was a volunteer.....he was a nobody  

Wednesday, November 01, 2017

Celeste Confesses; So Does Rooster

3139     PM:    Celeste    [Quote]       -- 8:57pm -- Wed, Nov 1, 17 pst 
 Personally I'd rather have Putin than the DNC and Hillary.

4971 PM: Roostercogburn [Quote] -- 4:04am -- Sun, Jul 16, 17 pst
hey you stupid motherfucker....I don't care if Trump lied...makes me no never mind

4176 PM: Roostercogburn [Quote] -- 3:13am -- Fri, Sep 15, 17 pst
if putin helped...it was for the good of the world

One Suggested Russia/Trump Timeline

“The Campaign Supervisor”: Trump campaign national co-chairman Sam Clovis

“High-Ranking Campaign Official”: Campaign manager Corey Lewandowski

“Another high-ranking campaign official”: Campaign chairman Paul Manafort

“Another campaign official”: Manafort deputy Rick Gates

And finally: “Senior Policy Advisor”: Unknown  -- speculated to be Jared Kushner

On March 6, Papadopolous became a member (not announced publically)  of the Trump campaign's foreign policy advisory board.

Within a week, Trump incorporated the meme about Putin being a strong leader who admires Trump. (March 12)

Two days later (March 14) Papadopolous goes to Europe to meet with a man claiming to have Russian connections.

One week later March 21 Trump announces him as an "excellent" member of his foreign policy advisory board.

Same day -- Trump reaffirms how much Putin admires Trump and "says nice things" about him.

Three days later, March 24, 2016, Papadopolous meets with a "professor" based in London -- "to arrange a meeting between us and the Russian leadership."

A week later, March 31, Trump meets with his foreign policy advisory team, which of course includes Papadopolous. A photo records their sitting at the same table along with Jeff Sessions who famously lied under oath about HIS collusion with the Russians. During that meeting, according to at least one adviser present, Papadopolous discussed with Trump and the board the prospect of his setting up a meeting with Putin.

Team Trump claimed the candidate had never met with Putin's campaign insider, George Popodopolous; then reporters discovered that Trump himself had posted a photograph of those PRESENT at the meeting when Papadopolous explained to Trump, Sessions, and the other of the conspiracy to use Russian ''dirt.''

Then on April 25, Papadopoulos emailed a senior policy advisor for the campaign informing the campaign that Trump has been extended an open invitation to meet him when he is ready.

The next day, April 26, Papadopolous meets his Russian contact, and reports that Russia is offering "thousands" of clinton emails and "dirt" on her.

That same night -- April 26, Trump brags in public that he's "going to have a great relationship with Putin.

Then on April 27, Papadopolous emails a high-ranking official of the campaign "to discuss Russia's interest in hosting Mr. Trump."

That same night, April 27, Trump gives a speech on US/Russia relations. The speech is attended by Putin's top spy in DC.

On the morning of June 3rd, Junior receives an email from someone linked to Russia promising that Russia could provide "information that would incriminate Hillary. Junior responds, "if it's what you say I love it!"

Later that same June 3rd, on the campaign trail, Trump brags that Putin says, "Donald Trump is a genius and is going to be the next president of the US." "Wouldn't it be nice if we actually got along with Russia?"

Less than a week later, Jared, Junior, and Manafort held a secret meeting at Trump Tower with Kremlin operatives who have promised documents what will "incriminate Hillary.
Manafort reportedly took notes on "political contributions at meeting."  Hmmmm.... "contributions"? Even Manafort KNEW that a gift of oppo-research is a campaign "contribution" which is illegal when gifted by foreign nationals.

January 27, Papadopolous is first interviewed by the FBI. Papadopolous lied during the meeting about his colluding with the Russians.

That VERY SAME day, January 27, Trump called Comey into his office and demanded his loyalty. Comey felt uncomfortable with such an inappropriate and possibly illegal overture by Trump; and he demurred.

July 27 - Papadopoulos was arrested. His arrest for lying about Trump campaign contacts with Russian operatives fell exactly ONE YEAR after Trump famously publically invited Russia to assist his campaign by hacking into Hillary's emails. During his invitation for Russia to hack into our election process, Trump hinted Russia would be "mightily rewarded."


A few of my thoughts:

On March 14, 2016, Papadopolous goes to Europe to meet with a man claiming to have Russian connections.

One week later March 21 Trump announces him as an ''excellent'' member of his foreign policy advisory board.


I doubt it.

One for Imzadi's Stupid Chat Tricks

1789 PM: Planoman [Quote] -- 1:56pm -- Wed, Nov 1, 17 pst
Joe McCarthy as it turns out was right...........just saying

Extensive Reach of Criminal Conspiracy

Who all was in on the Russian collusion? Where did Putin's invitation to collude with Trump go? It went viral apparently - within the highest reaches of the campaign. Just connect the dots. You know Mueller has.

"Newly released court documents show that Trump foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos communicated with several senior campaign officials about his outreach to the Russian government over a period of months. The recipients of Papadopoulos’s emails are not named in the filings, but The Washington Post has identified several individuals based on interviews and other documents."

Those in the know about the conspiracy between the Trump team and the Kremln?

According to the Post they are:

“The Campaign Supervisor”: Trump campaign national co-chairman Sam Clovis

“High-Ranking Campaign Official”: Campaign manager Corey Lewandowski

“Another high-ranking campaign official”: Campaign chairman Paul Manafort

“Another campaign official”: Manafort deputy Rick Gates

And finally: “Senior Policy Advisor”: Unknown  -- speculated to be Jared Kushner (whom we expect to be thrown under the bus by Trump)


Dino Confesses

1287 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 5:19pm -- Tue, Oct 31, 17 pst

I have an important confession to make to the room tonight. I'm the biggest liar in here ever, and I've misled everyone who calls themselves my friend. I'm not, nor have I ever been, a republican. I hate trump and all who support him and his criminal associates. I've never been married or had children. I'm currently unemployed and getting welfare and food stamps. Almost everything I've ever posted in the past has been a lie.

Tuesday, October 31, 2017

Handle Monkey Business

481   PM:   Grim   [Quote]     -- 2:34pm -- Tue, Oct 31, 17 pst
Grim Reaper

So.. I guess I am looking for opinions..

For Halloween here we are either going to have:

1) No existing handles will work.. everyone will have to make up a new handle. OR

2) When people come in they will be assigned one of the existing handles randomly.


574   PM:   Hepcat   [Quote]     -- 2:46pm -- Tue, Oct 31, 17 pst
Grim: #2 .. I wanna be DOSS for a night. 


599   PM:   Doss   [Quote]     -- 2:50pm -- Tue, Oct 31, 17 pst
doss - - - - - Follow the money!
Allow flying monkey rightwinger trolls to borrow my username and handle for a night?  Gosh, what could POSSIBLY go wrong? 

647   PM:   Punchy   [Quote]     -- 2:57pm -- Tue, Oct 31, 17 pst
oh yeahhh... let me get hold of the Doss or natch handle and see what happens... :-)  


1245   PM:   Imzadi   [Quote]     -- 5:13pm -- Tue, Oct 31, 17 pst
My pussy smells bad tonight. 

Rightwingers View Sexual Harassment as Funny

44   PM:   Rhino   [Quote]     -- 11:59am -- Tue, Oct 31, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Vamp: damn.. I should have tried to sexually harass you sweetie

Monday, October 30, 2017

Collusion? Yes, It Seems So!!

From Papa's guilty plea: 

''Papadopolous emailed the High-Ranking Campaign Official, with the subject line 'New message from Russia.': 'The Russian ministry of foreign affairs messaged and said that if Mr. Trump is unable to make it to Russia, if a campaign rep (me or someone else can make it for meetings? I am willing to make the trip . . . The Campaign Supervisor told the defendant . . . 'I would encourage you' and another foreign policy adviser to the campaign to 'make the trip, if it is feasible.'''

Trump the Willful Idiot

 ''How did Putin dupe anybody, specifically?''

We're not sure. But we believe Putin did a KGB style ''dangle.'' 

That is he had one of his oligarch pals dupe Trump into thinking he REALLY wanted to pay two bucks on the dollar for a house Trump owned. 

It's called a ''dangle'' because if Trump refused; or if Trump referred the offer to the FBI, then they could simply walk away; deny everything; no harm done; just find the next stooge to ''dangle.'' 

But Trump, like a moron, took the bait, and now we have a Putin willful ''idiot'' in the Oval Office.

How Odd

Desperation?  You bet.

3257   PM:   Mistysea   [Quote]     -- 6:21am -- Mon, Oct 30, 17 pst
There is speculation that Hillary's campaign set up Trump, Jr.'s meeting.......

Manafort Indicted!

Here is my prediction:

3017   PM:   Doss   [Quote]     -- 5:47am -- Mon, Oct 30, 17 pst
doss - - - Follow the Money!
Mark my words.  Later the flying monkey trolls will exclaim, ''See! We TOLD you this
Russia thing was a hoax!''


 And less than two hours later, Misty delivers:


3576   PM:   Mistysea   [Quote]     -- 7:35am -- Mon, Oct 30, 17 pst
Folks who read the Manafort indictment say there is nothing mentioned about Trump or the Trump campaign. 

Saturday, October 28, 2017

Dino's Prediction

Dino:  This week's end is tonight at midnight.  Once again, you'll have proved yourself ignorant of current affairs.

5856   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 1:28pm -- Sat, Oct 28, 17 pst
Mueller will be fired by weeks end.

Friday, October 27, 2017

Planoman Caught Lying Yet Again

2076   PM:   Planoman   [Quote]     -- 1:51pm -- Fri, Oct 27, 17 pst
wrong Judas
Silver predicts Clinton will win by a landslide . . .

Planoman says Nate Silver predicted a "landslide" victory for Hillary Clinton. Knowing this was a lie by Planoman, I went to Silver's website to see what he REALLY forecast.

I screen copied Silver's so-called "prediction" cited by Planoman. In fact rather than predicting a landslide victory for her, Silver gives her a SLIM 6 % chance. *S*



Planoman's Standards Don't Apply to Him

He certainly didn't provide US a URL to support HIS claims.

1646 PM: Planoman [Quote] -- 12:47pm -- Fri, Oct 27, 17 pst 
Judas.....I'm sure you have a link to that story

Chickenshit? You Be the Judge

1209 PM: Veritas [Quote] -- 11:13am -- Fri, Oct 27, 17 pst Palerider, will you go on record saying it's important that people answer questions when asked?

1220 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 11:15am -- Fri, Oct 27, 17 pst
Verichez nope now what? 

Not only is Pale unwilling to state it's important that people answer questions, he also refuses to condemn crimes we know were committed by Trump and his campaign.

As long as Pale refuses to condemn Trump's illegal solicitation of campaign contributions, we will consider Pale to lack the moral authority to complain about LEGAL actions committed by Hillary.

Thursday, October 19, 2017

Sessions' Constantly Evolving Russia Story

They're always walking back, modifying, ''clarfying,'' etc.

Sessions when from: No, I didn't meet with any Russians.

TO: Well, except for Putin's top spy in DC; I did meet with him. But we didn't discuss campaign matters.

Then when caught on tape discussing campaign matters with Kislyak, his story changed to: 

But we didn't discuss ways for Putin to interfere in the election.

Misty Is Riled

2514 PM: Mistysea -- 7:59pm -- Sat, Mar 3, 07 pst
LOL and the name calling begins. I guess that means they are pretty riled


Misty and Sources

3054 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 5:20am -- Fri, Jun 16, 17 pst 
Unnamed sources are about as reliable as a bucket with a hole in it. 

San Antonio Spurs Coach Speaks Out

We have a pathological liar in the White House: unfit intellectually,  emotionally, and  psychologically to hold this office and the whole world knows it, especially those around him every day. The people who work with this President should be ashamed because they know it better than anyone just how unfit he is, and yet they choose to do nothing about it. This is their shame most of all.

- Greg Popovich

Team Trump Pushed Russian Propaganda

Now it's coming out. In the days leading up to election day, top level Trump associates pushed Russian propaganda.

We know Kellyanne Conway, Brad Parscale, Donald Trump Jr., Michael Flynn Sr., and Michael Flynn Jr. all retweeted anti Hillary/pro-Trump propaganda generated by the Russians.

Misty and Substantiation

9473 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 6:41am -- Thu, Oct 19, 17 pst
hahahaha -- there are lots of laws that Obama and Hillary broke....


3101 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 5:34am -- Fri, Jun 16, 17 pst
I don't have anything to prove. You're the one making unsubstantiated

Wednesday, October 18, 2017

Sessions' Evolving Story

Sessions went from: Having no contact with the Russians.

To: Except for the Russian thought to be Putin's head spy in DC.

To: But we didn't discuss campaign matters.

To: (After having been caught on tape discussing campaign matters with Putin's operative) Well, we didn't discuss how to help them interfere in the election.

Tuesday, October 17, 2017

Brookings Institution Weighs in on Obstruction

From the Brookings Institution:

"Attempts to stop an investigation represent a common form of obstruction. Demanding the loyalty of an individual involved in an investigation, requesting that individual’s help to end the investigation, and then ultimately firing that person to accomplish that goal are the type of acts that have frequently resulted in obstruction convictions, as we detail. In addition, to the extent conduct could be characterized as threatening, intimidating, or corruptly persuading witnesses, that too may provide additional grounds for obstruction charges."

. . .

"While those defending the president may claim that expressing a “hope” that an investigation will end is too vague to constitute obstruction, we show that such language is sufficient  to do so. In that regard, it is material that former FBI Director James Comey interpreted the president’s “hope” that he would drop the investigation into Flynn as an instruction to drop the case. That Comey ignored that instruction is beside the point under applicable law. We also note that potentially misleading conduct and possible cover-up attempts could serve as further evidence of obstruction. Here, such actions may include fabricating an initial justification for firing Comey, directing Donald Trump Jr.’s inaccurate statements about the purpose of his meeting with a Russian lawyer during the president’s campaign, tweeting that Comey “better hope there are no ‘tapes’ of our conversations,” despite having “no idea” whether such tapes existed, and repeatedly denouncing the validity of the investigations."

. . .

While the matter is not free from doubt, it is our view that neither the Constitution nor any other federal law grants the president immunity from prosecution. The structure of the Constitution, the fundamental democratic principle that no person is above the law, and past Supreme Court precedent holding that the president is amenable to other forms of legal process all weigh heavily in favor of that conclusion. While there can be debate as to whether a sitting president can be indicted, there is no doubt that a president can face indictment once he is no longer in office. Reserving prosecution for that time, using a sealed indictment or otherwise, is another option for the special counsel."



Monday, October 16, 2017

MwJohnson and Free Speech

So much for Johnson's embrace of free speech, eh?

7460     PM:    Mwjohnson    [Quote]       -- 12:13pm -- Mon, Oct 16, 17 pst 
 I like when folks get banned

Our friend, Imzadi, publishes an absolutely hilarious website devoted to the really funny things folks post in the Political Chat Room. But some people, and I won't mention any names, refuse to allow their material to be posted at Imzadi's site. Imzadi is much more sympathetic to their chickensh*t ways than I am.

So She Sends Their Stupid Chat Trix Here!!

dino | mistysea | parpus | pleiku | voodoo | zandak

9197 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 1:01pm -- Thu, Oct 12, 17 pst
Dan Blather said birds are mammals.
5921 PM: Dino [Quote] -- 5:57am -- Sat, Apr 27, 13 PST Dino In 1862 we were at WAR. It's called the WAR BETWEEN THE STATES. No Federal laws were in place during that war.

7153 PM: Dino [Quote] -- 7:06am -- Wed, Jul 27, 11 pst
Tree, I played baseball for 14 years and couched for 8.

7022 PM: Dino-- 2:18pm -- Wed, Aug 18, 10 pst
So the BIBLE stopped at the Sermon on the Mound? Kingdom theology hasn't happened yet. Do you know what that is?

9869 PM: Dino -- Sun, Mar 21 5:20am PST -----
No need to ask.....Prap and I are LOVERS!!!!

9770 PM: Dino [Quote] -- 1:17pm -- Tue, Aug 3, 10 pst
16th Amendment can go because it was never ratified.

5791 PM: Dino [Quote] -- 1:28pm -- Tue, May 18, 10 pst
GUAM is good...still afloat.

7053 PM: Dino [Quote] -- 11:59am -- Mon, May 17, 10 pst
... Bigotry!!!!! Islam is our enemy.

5498 PM: Dino [Quote] -- 8:24pm -- Mon, May 10, 10 pst
Celeste, Most all things today are made from oil products.

Dino. . . . . Line #6729 . . . . Sun, Jul 22, 4:48PM PDT
KMAN, Wetbacks are Mexican. And it's not racists to call them that.

D i n o . . . . Line #5615 . . . . Sat, Jul 28, 11:42AM PDT
Mexicans smell funny. Why is that?

9956 PM: Dino [Quote] -- 3:21pm -- Thu, Apr 1, 10 pst
We must be very careful of population explosions on islands. If to many people live on one side of the island there is a possibility of it tipping over and capsizing.

2701 PM: Dino [Quote] -- 8:41pm -- Wed, Jan 11, 12 PST
Pipe lines have NOTHING to do with the environment.

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Majormidknight -- Sun, May 5 6:31am PST ----- boy are you unique when it comes to women... *G*
the way most women talk..... being ''violated'' is tantamount to SUPREME TORTURE *G*

Majormidknight -- Sun, Jan 20 3:17pm PST ----- the primary effect of increased taxes on capital is
to reduce the size of the capital stock and, therefore, the incomes of wage earners

Majormidknight -- Sat, Jan 19 2:09am PST ----- if Im awake Im stoned *G*

Majormidknight -- Fri, Jan 18 6:10pm PST ----- there is no such thing as a libertarian...

MajorMidknight . . . . Line #3763 . . . . Sat, Jul 21, 2:49PM PDT
your little website will have a denial of service attack so bad your isp will put you in jail.. *ROFL*

MajorMidknight . . . . Line #3763 . . . . Sat, Jul 21, 2:49PM PDT
f**king sueing gomer

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Mistysea -- Thu, Dec 25 7:10pm PST ----- same difference Zadi -- unhappy people screaming for attention will do anything to get it. That guy kick the bucket from aids

171 PM: Mistysea -- Wed, Dec 25 7:59am PST -----
Any lying is fine if it gets liberals out of office.

Mistysea -- Wed, Dec 25 7:59am PST ----- Any lying is fine if it gets liberals out of office.

Mistysea -- Wed, Dec 24 11:43am PST ----- You know we didn't sign the Geneva Convention

MistySea -- Sun, Jan 5 7:59am PST ----- Venus, this is a debate room. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.

Mistysea -- Sun, Jan 5 5:08am PST ----- Searing, of course conservatives enjoy it. But, I believe if you look back, the realization is that Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty, contributed greatly to the free sex with no consequences we are faced with today.

Mistysea -- Sun, Aug 4 5:15pm PST ----- Hillary Clinton is a scurrilous commie. I can understand why the left loves her.

3078 PM: Mistysea -- 8:02pm -- Thu, Jan 5, 12 PST
Fact is -- all muslims are not terrorists. Fact also is, all terrorists are muslims

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Pleiku -- Fri, Jan 2 8:32pm PST ----- just rape lesbians

2967 PM: Pleiku -- Sat, Jul 12 9:01pm PST -----
PleikuThe Original
George tenet says it's his fault...........the buck stops with him

6754 PM: Pleiku --Sat, Apr 29 8:06am pst
People question military service when they lose the argument.

The Original PLEIKU . . . . Line #3762 . . . . Tue,
Aug 7, 9:04PM PDT
there is a natural progression and order..............man and woman was made, in my opinion, to pro-create...........to have a family. aside from that, Homosexuality , is simply a form of pleasure, it serves no other purpose........

The Original PLEIKU . . . . Line #2704 . . . . Fri, Aug 3, 5:24PM PDT
Soc.........if embryos are to be discarded from still births, miscarriages, placentas, and BTW, stem cells can be collected from a variety of other sources as well,.....then i see no harm no foul. However, if the GOVERNMENT in some way coaxes, encourages, or othwerwise participates in some scam, to pay women to have abortions, and not just monetarily per se, then i think you could make a claim of immorality.........

The Original PLEIKU . . . . Line #3830 . . . . Thu, Jul 19, 11:48PM PDT
HELP!!.....HELP!!!.......i woke up today, and had an urge to put my pee-pee in a mans b*tthole....................

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8845   PM:   Prapius   [Quote]     -- 6:41am -- Thu, Jun 6, 13 PST


Prapius -- Tue, Dec 13 6:15am PST -----
NJSO unless you are married to a black man..you are racist

7688 PM: Prapius -- 6:31am -- Wed, Mar 31, 10 pst

Prapius -- Tue, Dec 13 6:11am PST -----
doss is not black...so I can't be racist

Prapius -- Mon, Sep 21 2:57pm PST -----
Only a faggot would talk about another man's ass.

Prapius -- Thu, Dec 12 5:23am PST -----
taxes have allways destroyed civilazations.....

Prapius -- Fri, Sep 27 5:42pm PST -----
wassup/nemesis is your typical white-nigger.......

Prapius -- Thu, Sep 5 6:43am PST -----
the Japanese pre-emptive strike?.........rofl..........we never wanted to go to war with Japan........how was it pre-emptive?..........doss is a f**king idiot

Prapius -- Fri, Mar 1 3:43pm PST -----
the Last time I slapped a woman was in a elevator that dropped 10 floors......the girl went nuts........I slapped her to calm her down........

Prapius -- Fri, Mar 1 3:44pm PST -----
Lady....you being fat and ugly.....doesn't mean I use prostitutes..........

Prapius -- Fri, Mar 1 3:44pm PST -----
besides...pretty men like me never need prostitutes........women fall all over me

2 PM: Prapius -- Fri, Mar 1 3:25pm PST -----
pol...I would s**k-off a senator for a 13% tax...........but not biblically........rofl

Prapius -- Thu, Mar 7 9:24am PST -----
proof why white people are smarter...we have Neaderthal in us.......

Prapius -- Fri, Mar 1 6:21am PST ----- justice is vengence..........anyone that doesn't know that is an idiot.........

Prapius -- Sat, Feb 23 1:55pm PST ----- ...Dear Natchez's wife...your husband f**ks around in chat and on the internet doing cyber sex and fag sex.....divorce him now.......NAw....Natchez only hunts seeds...men's seed..........his idea of wild dear is not in the mountians............

Prapius -- Mon, Feb 18 3:09pm PST ----- Imzadi..........Black Africa sold us a slave product that no longer works....we white want our money back..............fair is fair...........and they can take the product back also.

Prapius -- Tue, Jan 29 6:57pm PST -----I was watching the History channel the other day..........it was about the riots when Martin Luther King was here at Marquette park............I saw me and my buddy in the film...............I was so proud................I was protesting against him by the way

Prapius -- Thu, Dec 27 9:06pm PST ----- if a white woman has a black baby..............how pure is her blood after that?.............I'm sure you experts can tell me............

Prapius -- Wed, Dec 26 5:44am PST ----- ... Secularism and liberalism is not warm and cudly... liberal is a cuss word.......the ultimate four letter one [Our friend, Gal, kindly pointed out that "liberal" is a seven-letter word.]

Prapius -- Wed, Dec 12 4:26am PST ----- If we had invaded North VietNAm.. it would of been all over in weeks......... my unit was sent home because it was tooo powerful....... and that's a fact

Prapius -- Thu, Sep 13, 10:27AM PDT ------ IF Rigel was half-white...he might be as smart as Powell..........

Prapius -- Fri, Dec 14 7:44am PST ----- ...Liberals are still all idiots....
this place is almost more fun than sex........here you can have verbal orgasms while ejaculating fast insults.......chat quikies so to speak

Prapius . . . Line #4804 . . . . Sat, Sep 15, 2:07AM PDT
dukaka............a heathen is a person that thinks they Are no better than a tree

Prapius ...liberals are all assholes.... . . . Line number 1810 . . . . Thu, Sep 6, 9:13PM PDT
The Indians in the Americas were a blood-thirsty lot.............and the Spaniards destroyed them without even trying..........aliens will be the same...............

Prapius ...Liberals are all berserk.... . . . Line number 2494 . . . .
Wed, Aug 1, 11:32AM PDT dierson...wrong...winter in australia is actually

Prapius. . . Line #3430 . . . . Mon, Jun 18, 9:33PM PDT fyree...no.....it only means that once a woman has had a child with one father....all the fathers after that...are no longer really sure their kids are pure...

Prapius ...Liberals aare all berserk.... . . . Line number 4419 . . . . Thu, Jul 26, 7:32PM PDT NAtchez....cows, chickens horses and pigs can have offspring naturally...............the animals might want to have their offspring carry their family name................why would a c**ksucker wanmt to pass on a name?

2718 PM: Prapius -- Mon, Sep 21 2:57pm PST -----
Only a faggot would call another man a faggot.

2903 PM: Prapius -- Fri, Apr 29 4:43am PST -----
kiwi must be a fag

4925 PM: Prapius -- 6:50am -- Fri, Mar 23, 07 pst
. . . how do submarines get thru the North pole under the ice?.......when it's a damn land mass?

voodoo child@large . . . . Line number 1835 . . . . Sun, Jun 24, 3:32PM PDT
F**K YOU AND YOUR CHAT TRICKS CRAP............it's against the law for her to put any of my posts on her fucked up page..............cool huh?.........

zandak -- Tue, Dec 13 6:15am PST -----
NJSO unless you are married to a black man..you are racist

[Quote] 4:12pm -- Sat, Jan 19, 13 PST [iggy] Imzadi owes lots of people lots of money for using their creations. When i File my Federal lawsuit, I will put her out of business.

zandak [Quote] 4:18pm -- Sat, Jan 19, 13 PST [iggy] Everything that Imzadi has on her SCT web page is illegal and she mus pay the fines and Court cost. plus she will have to pay every one residuals for each and every post there. Part of my Lawsuit against the Chatter Imzadi.
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