Monday, May 21, 2018

Guera "Logic"

3491   PM:   Guera   [Quote]     -- 8:55pm -- Mon, May 21, 18 pst
Cor Unum
ffs...when I peeked in to ask a question before work, both Natch and Dose were in here and still are.

Dino Demands Proof

2112   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 1:55pm -- Mon, May 21, 18 pst
Start posting your proof or shut up!

Pale Agrees with Biden

1815   PM:   Palerider   [Quote]     -- 12:05pm -- Mon, May 21, 18 pst
Joe Biden is correct

Joe Biden on Trump's doing Putin's bidding:

"This is the first president to make a full-throated, unvarnished attack on the entirety of the FBI . . . Well, let me tell you, he’s a joke .  . . This is to discredit the entire FBI, and discredit his own Justice Department . . . What do you think they’re thinking in Moscow? This is doing everything [Russian President Vladimir] Putin ever wanted . . . "

1815   PM:   Palerider   [Quote]     -- 12:05pm -- Mon, May 21, 18 pst
Joe Biden is correct

Dwight Praises the ACA

4904   PM:   Dwightvol   [Quote]     -- 6:10pm -- Tue, Jul 19, 16 pst
I was wrong about Obamacare and the ACA.

769   PM:   Dwightvol   [Quote]     -- 3:43pm -- Mon, Jun 20, 16 pst
Thank you Obama for the ACA. There. I give credit where it is due.

4780   PM:   Dwightvol   [Quote]     -- 3:53pm -- Fri, Jun 24, 16 pst
I have changed my mind. The ACA is a good thing. The individual mandate is a good thing.

Weed and False Equivalency

1051   PM:   Weedhopper   [Quote]     -- 7:18am -- Mon, May 21, 18 pst
[Quoting Mistysea: "Why won't dems condemn MS-13? Nancy says there is some divinity in them."]
She tells her voters what she thinks they want to hear...same way republicans do it

We asked Weed to show us evidence to support his claim about Pelosi; he couldn't come up with anything.


1144   PM:   Doss   [Quote]     -- 7:53am -- Mon, May 21, 18 pst
doss - - - - - ''My attorneys plead the Fifth just like the mobsters. That I can tell you.''
The ol' ''false equivalence'' fallacy from Weed. Claim a Democrat is doing JUST what the republicans  do. Then, when called on it, accuse the observant chatter of lying.  Typical. 

Sunday, May 20, 2018

Sunny Denies Racism

6653   PM:   Sunnybelle   [Quote]     -- 5:54am -- Sun, May 20, 18 pst
 . . .  Few people in the US are actually racist. . . .

Charles and Hillary Bashing

6476   PM:   Charles   [Quote]     -- 5:11am -- Sun, May 20, 18 pst
What kind of man just starts bashing on a woman he's never met, for no reason at all?

Friday, May 18, 2018

The Hitler Connection

277 PM: Mistysea --Wed, Feb 5 3:21pm PST -----
Wouldn't life be a LOT simpler if every person we don't like could be justifiably compared to Hitler?

1675 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 5:00am -- Fri, May 18, 18 pst
Leakers to NYT Confirm FBI Ran Spy Operation Against Trump Campaign
Very reminiscent of Hitler's Germany.... The Deep State is the same. You mean like this?

9469 PM: Dudley -- Tue, Jan 17 7:17pm pst
They bring up Hitler when they are cornered.

2195     PM:    Dudley       -- Thu, Jun 23 5:00pm PST -----
A sign that no argument is forth coming. Using the Nazi tag again, a weak weak mind.

Thursday, May 17, 2018

Vagne Lies about Warren

596 PM: Vagne [Quote] -- 10:36am -- Thu, May 17, 18 pst
It appears Warren is being seriously challenged for her senate seat...

Vagne lies yet again. Warren holds a 30 point lead.

Vagne Says Warren Really IS "Pocohontas"

553   PM:   Vagne   [Quote]     -- 10:22am -- Thu, May 17, 18 pst
Vagne [Quoting Maggie: "Maggie: calling warren pocohontas is not very nice"]
I think language used against the President is not nice fact Pocahontas is pretty mild, and actually pretty accurate how this lady used her phony genealogy for self promotion

582   PM:   Vagne   [Quote]     -- 10:32am -- Thu, May 17, 18 pst
 . . . I defer to politicalfact....

598   PM:   Maggie   [Quote]     -- 10:37am -- Thu, May 17, 18 pst
also from polifact
Warren herself didn’t trumpet this side of her family story. When applying to college and law school,
records show that she either identified as white or declined to apply based on minority status.

Wednesday, May 16, 2018

Right Wing Misogyny

8684 PM: Dino [Quote] -- 5:38am -- Sun, Aug 14, 16 pst
No one wants your vaginal yeast.


7753 PM: Hepcat [Quote] -- 4:39am -- Wed, May 16, 18 pst
Blubberboy needs to get back to licking Babe's yeast infection

Earlier we were having a discussion about how right wingers use juvenile name-calling, talk of body parts, bodily functions, nonsensical slang, sex, the degrading of women, etc. to get their ''point'' across. Others commented that they've hardly ever seen anyone except right wingers behave like that. Natchez has advanced the theory that right wingers are simply angrier and more frustrated than the rest of us, because deep down they see the rest of the nation moving further and further away from them. They're just very frustrated and angry, and it makes them behave like nasty-minded children.

Tuesday, May 15, 2018

Starr vs Mueller: How Do They Compare?

Well, let's look at the time line.

Starr got his FIRST conviction in May of 1996. He'd been on the job since August of 1994 (See Washington Post - ). That's 21 months.

May 17, 2017 :  Mueller appointed as special counsel.

July 27, 2017 : Papadopoulos arrested.

October 5, 2017: Papadopoulos enters guilty plea in federal court ( )

Note, that's LESS than FIVE months from Mueller's appointment until he bagged his first conviction, a felony! The crime Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to was lying about his meeting with one agent he believed to have  "substantial connections to Russian government officials" and met with yet another agent he ALSO believed to have connections with the Russian government.  ( )

Now let's look at Kenneth Starr's record.

August 5, 1994: Starr is appointed special Whitewater Prosecutor ( )

May 26, 1996: Starr gets his FIRST conviction, and it has NOTHING to do with Whitewater
( )

That's over TWENTY ONE MONTHS from the time Starr was appointed until he bagged his first conviction of ANY SORT; and it had NOTHING to do with Whitewater!


It took Mueller less than five months to nail a felon for lying about his meetings with agents he believed to be connected to the Russian government (Russian collusion).

It took Starr TWENTY ONE months to nail someone on charges that had absolutely NOTHING to do with the Clintons or with the Whitewater land deal.


One lead investigator nails his first felony conviction in less than 6 months of being on the job.

Another lead investigator takes TWENTY-ONE months to get his first conviction of ANY SORT.

Riddle: Guess which one the right wingers say should hurry up?  


Here's another scenario: 

One investigator, looking into a real estate transaction, busts someone for a cable television deal.

Another investigator looking into collusion with a foreign adversary busts a suspect (and gets a felony conviction)  for lying to the feds about his collusion with someone the suspect believes to be an operative representing that foreign government.

Riddle:  Guess which one the right wingers accuse of going "outside his scope"?

Trump Double Crosses His Supporters

Trump undercuts his supporters in heartland USA. Trump KILLS jobs in the US; goes to bat for jobs in China and Russia.

From "Trump supporters suffer unintended consequences of his policies" in the Washington Post.

 ''Those jobs will now go to other countries — specifically Russia. “Russian aircraft makers, who can skirt the U.S. sanctions, are already working on deals,” the Puget Sound Business Journal reports.''

An entrepreneur in Kentucky says Trump is putting him out of business. He says he can't run his landscaping business thanks to restrictions imposed by Trump.

 “Eddie Devine voted for [Trump] because he thought he would be good for American business. Now, he says, the Trump administration’s restrictions on seasonal foreign labor may put him out of business. ‘I feel like I’ve been tricked by the devil,’ said Devine, owner of … Devine Creations Landscaping. ‘I feel so stupid.’

If Mueller Needs More Time, there IS Precedent

5259   PM:   Dudley   [Quote]     -- 7:33am -- Tue, May 15, 18 pst
Delta, and Mueller asked for more time with the Russians, think about


Yes, we remember how you guys HOWLED when Starr asked or more time.

"Starr Gets 6-Month Extension of Whitewater Grand Jury" - November 01, 1997 - Associated Press

"Starr asked U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright to let the special grand jury stay on the job until May 7, 1998--two years after its first meeting."


"When Mr. Starr began his investigation of Bill and Hillary Clinton 3-1/2 years ago, the singular focus was on potentially illegal transactions related to a 1980s Arkansas real-estate deal.

"Since then, his $34 million probe has expanded three times to include the suicide of Clinton aide Vince Foster, the use of FBI files, and the firing of White House travel office employees."

Monday, May 14, 2018

Doss Is Good AND Nice

1555   PM:   Grrllawyer   [Quote]     -- 5:45pm -- Fri, May 11, 18 pst
I love doss he is a good man

1549   PM:   Maggie   [Quote]     -- 5:44pm -- Fri, May 11, 18 pst
i am not insulted.. doss is a nice person
[ quoted: Mistysea - You sound like Dossnatch ]

Dino, Abortion, Pregancy Plans, and Hyprocrisy

There is a reason they are regarded as abject hypocrites.

2518 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 2:54pm -- Mon, May 14, 18 pst
It's non of your business who had an abortion! You wicked people.


But you think it's YOUR business who plans to get pregnant? Your hypocrisy is pathetic.


2532 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 2:57pm -- Mon, May 14, 18 pst
You planning on getting pregnant?

Pale Gets It Right

2233   PM:   Palerider   [Quote]     -- 1:01pm -- Mon, May 14, 18 pst
Trump drives Iran into Putin’s arms.

Sunday, May 13, 2018

Dino's Flipped Over the Moon

9290   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 6:02pm -- Sun, May 13, 18 pst
The surface of the Moon is over the boiling point of battery made can cause a luner walker thingy to can't work. We never went to the Moon.

Dino Lies about Business Cycle

8960   PM:   Doss   [Quote]     -- 3:44pm -- Sun, May 13, 18 pst
Dino --- who was president when the current economic expansion began? 

8961   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 3:44pm -- Sun, May 13, 18 pst
[Quoting doss: "Dino who was president when the current economic expansion began?]

Now for the truth: According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the current economic expansion began in June, 2009.

Cinders and Talking Points

5465 PM: Cinders2 [Quote] -- 3:58pm -- Sat, May 12, 18 pst
Victor: yes seems they get talking pts from some MASTER everyday and then thats the word for the day , week , etc

Talking about Looks?

You mean like saying stuff about her "kankles"?

5543 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 1:48pm -- Wed, Jan 3, 18 pst
The Left will say disparaging things about a person's looks.

Saturday, May 12, 2018

Flat Earth Dino

299 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 9:05am -- Sun, Feb 11, 18 pst
We actually live in a domed world. God set forth things in the atmosphere to protect us. And science decided to make a huge change. And we all believed it. Like man came from monkeys and the big bang crap.

1937 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 1:36pm -- Thu, Mar 8, 18 pst
Trep, sail ''AROUND THE WORLD? Makes no sense. If it were a Globe they would fall off.

539 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 9:59am -- Sun, Feb 11, 18 pst
Victor, Thessalonians says we do not wrestle with flesh and blood, but the spirits of the air. I believe in God's word. I take it literally. I've seen those spirits. Quite a few occasions. You can branish me a lunatic.I don't care. I know what I saw and lived through 2 Angels taking me from Arizona to home.

CAG Dismisses Felony Lying - as "Boo-boo"

5105   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 2:30pm -- Sat, May 12, 18 pst

Christians are Good
Over 100 Mueller charges - only five of which were persuaded to plead, and of those, four plead for telling a boo-boo to investigators. A whole lot of nothing and completely outside Mueller's authority or charge.

Friday, May 11, 2018

Dino Forgery

1841   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 6:38pm -- Fri, May 11, 18 pst 

Condemnation before investigation is the height of ignorance.
1551 PM: Natchez -- Sun, May 15 8:41am PST -----

voodoo, my NASA code is RT5958UTY.

I'm a certified astronaut, I don't care if you don't like it.

Democrats Won

In fact, we won. We picked up seats in both the House AND in the Senate.

495 PM: Bob [Quote] -- 10:47am -- Fri, May 11, 18 pst
Win at all costs
He is understandably upset. HIS party lost the election.

Lying Liars Don't Care We Know

Yes, we get it. We've said for years that you right wingers don't GIVE A SHIT that we know you're lying.

373 PM: Bob [Quote] -- 10:23am -- Fri, May 11, 18 pst
Win at all costs
Don't CARE if my claim is believed or backed... don't you get that yet?

Expect MORE Trump Money Trolling

The Trump Monkeys are just getting warmed up.

We're going to see more and more of this as details emerge on the Trump/Cohen/Russian slush fund they operated to buy influence and pay off porn stars.

A Trump Monkey Troll will enter the room; shit in his hand; sling it; then stomp out.

Another Trump Monkey Troll will take his place; shit in his hand; sling it; then stomp out.

Occasionally TWO Trump Monkey Trolls will be here at the same time. They will shit in their hands; sling it; commiserate a bit; then stomp out.

Then a Trump Money Troll may enter the room; smooch the other shit slinging Trolls; shit in her hand, sling it; then stomp out.

Thursday, May 10, 2018

Trump, Cohen, Russia, and Corruption

Now we know Trump's fixer went to Russia during the campaign and pitched Trump plans to build in Moscow. Then after helping put Trump in the WH, one of Putin's oligarchs funneled (Rudy's word; not mine) cash into Trump/Cohen's slush fund account; THEN Cohen went to the Oval Office and pitched for easing sanctions on Russia; Cohen followed that meeting up with a written request to foreign agent working as NSA, Michael Flynn.

Then, Cohen sold access to Trump which resulted in MILLIONS of dollars moving in and out of the slush fund account.

These guys are making Nixon and his Plumbers look like a bunch of choir boys sneaking a smoke while at church camp.

Trump Helping Russia Again

''Like so many stupid, destructive policies foisted on us by this White House — from steel tariffs and anti-Muslim immigration bans to the ruinous assault on the State Department, the FBI, and the intelligence community — Trump’s latest decision seems designed to advance the Kremlin’s agenda.'' -- Joe Conason

Is this why the Russians are pumping cash into the slush fund account maintained by Trump's personal fixer?

Wednesday, May 09, 2018

Celeste Cares NOT about the Past

9259   PM:   Celeste   [Quote]     -- 7:51pm -- Wed, May 9, 18 pst
I'm okay with Haspel. She seems like a no bullshit kinda person.
I don't care about her past. Gotta look forward and do the right thing.

Cohen's LLC Paid by Russian

"Over the last two years, a shell company set up by the president’s longtime lawyer, Michael Cohen, received more than $1 million dollars from a Russian oligarch and from several multi-national corporations, according to documents obtained by multiple news outlets. The limited liability company, called Essential Consultants, was initially created shortly before the 2016 election, and was used to funnel a $130,000 payment from Cohen to the pornographic film actress Stormy Daniels . . . "

"On Tuesday, Daniels’s lawyer, Michael Avenatti, revealed that a bank account controlled by Essential Consultants had also received payments from Russian billionaire Viktor Vekselberg, who is the subject of U.S. sanctions; AT&T, which is currently engaged in an anti-trust lawsuit with the Department of Justice; Novartis, whose C.E.O. met with Trump in January; and a Korean aerospace company that is part of a multi-billion-dollar bid to provide jets to the U.S. Air Force."

It looks a LOT like influence peddling,  or what's called "pay for play," or what the law calls "bribery."

Dino Caught Fabricating Posts

Tuesday, May 08, 2018

Novartis Paid $400,000 to Trump LLC

Pharma giant, Novartis, paid Trump/Cohen's phony LLC (the one they set up to launder the Daniels payment) $400,000; Trump then agreed to sit down with the CEO of Novartis in late January, 2018 AFTER his phony LLC received the final installment of the four part $400,000 payment.

Former federal prosecutor, Joyce Vance, says of the phony LLC Trump and Cohen set up to pay off Stormy: ''Stinks of influence peddling . . . or what prosecutors call 'pay to play,' or what federal statutes call 'bribery.'''  

They set up the LLC supposedly to launder the payments to Daniels. But NOW we find out the Russians put in $400,000; AT&T put in $200,000; Novartis (Pharma) put in $400,000; and Cohen paid himself ONE MILLION dollars.

AT&T says it got ZERO legal or consulting work from the LLC; and Novartis says, HEY that was our FORMER CEO who did that. He's no longer with us.

And the Russians aren't talking.

This story has legs! 

Trump "Fixer" Bank Account Funded by Putin Oligarch

We KNOW the oligarch involved funneled a TON of money into the Trump inaugural; and we KNOW some of the inaugural funds found THEIR way into the pockets of Trump friends.

Now former prosecutors are saying --- the question Mueller is probably asking is ''Did some of this Russian oligarch money find it's way into Trump's bank accounts?''


When they busted the Watergate burglars, they had in their possession one hundred dollar bills that were then traced back to illegal contributions to the Nixon campaign.

Nixon then tried to use the CIA to pressure the FBI into NOT following the money trail.

In this case, the money used to pay off Stormy Daniels is linked to an account being funded by one of Putin's oligarchs!

Trump, like Nixon, tried to get the FBI NOT to follow the money trail.


A friend of Trump's and Cohen's phoned one MSNBC commentator on May 8th  and told him he was going to be AMAZED at the depth and breadth of the scandal as detail begin to emerge over the next 6 to 9 months....

In other words, this bombshell discovery from May 8th is just the TIP of the iceberg. Remember ---we're talking about Russian oligarchs; they are BILLIONAIRES. A few millions here; a few millions there --- pretty soon we're talking about SERIOUS money being funneled (Rudy's word; not mine) into Trump/Cohen controlled accounts. 


Cohen transferred $1 MILLION from his personal Morgan Stanley account into the account of the phony LLC he and Trump set up. Then, he claimed he had to BORROW the $130k he used to pay off Stormy.

If he had a MILLION to move around at will, why did he have to borrow $130k?

It's not adding up. 

Trump on Iran Nuclear Accord - He's Clueless

From WAPO's Paul Waldman:

"We all know the real reason Trump wants to walk away from the nuclear accord. It isn’t because Iran is violating the terms, because it isn’t. It isn’t because the terms were terribly unfair to the United States, because they weren’t. It isn’t because Iran is doing things outside the agreement that we don’t like, because those actions exist outside the agreement. It’s because Trump is a petulant man-baby who believes that anything that has Barack Obama’s name on it has to be destroyed, no matter the consequences."

Dudley, Denial, Lying, and Melting Down

2999   PM:   Dudley   [Quote]     -- 10:36am -- Tue, May 8, 18 pst
. . . Yeah, but you are the same one who just said people are denying
Trump but you admitted you had no proof . . .

2949   PM:   Dudley   [Quote]     -- 10:25am -- Tue, May 8, 18 pst
Dosset, do you actually have a post showing where one who first said they supported Trump changed to not supporting him? Or is this your usual  fabricated bullshit that has no research or meaning?

2950   PM:   Doss   [Quote]     -- 10:25am -- Tue, May 8, 18 pst
Dudley: No, I don't have such a post handy. And if I did, you'd deny it was for real.

Dudley's Apparently OK with Trump's Lying

Dudley? You are okay with his lying? May I quote you on that?

2953   PM:   Doss   [Quote]     -- 10:26am -- Tue, May 8, 18 pst
 . . . Does it matter to you that Trump lies so much?

2954   PM:   Dudley   [Quote]     -- 10:26am -- Tue, May 8, 18 pst
Okay, more lies then. Thanks dosset, thanks a lot.

Gas Lighting by Trump and His Surrogates

One technique the Trump Monkey surrogates use is the diversionary tactic.

By uttering demonstrably FALSE or outrageously ridiculous statements (or by hurling personal insults; demanding the opponent disclose personal details about himself, change the subject to OTHER bad actors, etc.), they attempt to bait the opponent into responding to that diversionary feint. If the opponent DOES change focus from Trump's conduct to the surrogate's lying, insults, personal prying, etc., then the surrogate achieves his objective ---- diverting attention from Trump's conduct.

The Shape of Things --- The Trump Melt-Down

Trump invited Russia to hack her emails. We have him on tape. His campaign manager, SNL and son arranged to meet with Putin's operatives to discuss the exchange of stolen goods. It's documented in the emails. Trump admitted that he fired Comey to impede the investigation; we have him on tape.

And now, Cohen is about to sing like a bird.

It's no wonder the wingers are in a panic.

Monday, May 07, 2018

What We Know

1) Trump invited Russia to hack Hillary's emails.

2) Junior met with Russian spies in Trump Tower to arrange the exchange of the
hacked emails.

3) Manafort and Gates worked with an operative they KNEW to be a Putin intelligence officer.

4) Trump ADMITTED he fired Comey to end the Russia investigation.

5) Trump and his team FABRICATED a LIE to cover up for Junior's conspiracy meeting at Trump Tower.

6) A Putin oligarch funneled (Rudy's word; not mine) at least $400,000 into the account of the phony LLC Cohen set up to launder Trump payments to Stormy Daniels.

These are the things we KNOW.

Celeste Ignores Mueller's Track Record

Unlike Celeste, I view FIVE FELONY convictions and indictments against 23 suspects to be SOMETHING!

1280   PM:   Celeste   [Quote]     -- 8:03pm -- Mon, May 7, 18 pst
Doss: No I'm not. Most people I talk to about this are tired of hearing about it. All these months and nothing, not to mention that there are questionable things having been done by the Dems.

Poorboy Denies Denying; Then Denies

Poorboy: Okay so you DON'T deny voting for Trump.

I figured it we pressed you on it hard enough, you'd come clean.

1215   PM:   Poorboy   [Quote]     -- 7:43pm -- Mon, May 7, 18 pst
Mark (Poorboy)
I'm not denying anything . . .

1219   PM:   Poorboy   [Quote]     -- 7:45pm -- Mon, May 7, 18 pst
Mark (Poorboy)
I didn't vote for Trump.


How to tell they most likely vote republican?

When they claim NOT to vote for the party, but for the candidate for one thing.

Or when they claim they're neither republican nor Democrat, but right down the middle.

1209   PM:   Poorboy   [Quote]     -- 7:40pm -- Mon, May 7, 18 pst
Mark (Poorboy)
I don't consider myself a Democrat or Republican. I'm more in the middle of the two.

1237   PM:   Poorboy   [Quote]     -- 7:51pm -- Mon, May 7, 18 pst
Mark (Poorboy)
This past election was the only time I didn't vote for the Republican nominee for president. 

What Perjury Did Clinton Commit?

Tjbob: And if someone asked you what lie was named in the Articles of Impeachment, you'd have to either:

1) Concede there WAS NONE;

2) Lie about it and claim there WAS one;

3) Dodge the question.

TJBob: How many fact witnesses did the House call during the impeachment hearings? Here are your choices:

1) Concede the truth that they didn't call ANY fact witnesess;

2) Lie, and claim they DID call fact witnesses;

3) Dodge the question.

Sunday, May 06, 2018

TjBob Wound Up TOO Tight

4076   PM:   Tejanobob   [Quote]     -- 8:25pm -- Sun, May 6, 18 pst
Doss: Your problem, Mister Doss, is that you think we're having an argument. We aren't. We aren't even on the same page. You'e insisting that you don't lie to the other chatters in the room. I talking to YOU, and what I am telling you, is that I know you to be the worst liar this room has ever known, and I would not belive a thing you post. I seek the truth, but it's just as important to me to know where the truth cannot be found.

Trump Urges Russia to Hack Clinton's Email


"Donald Trump invited Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's emails on Wednesday, asking one of America’s longstanding geopolitical adversaries to find “the 30,000 emails that are missing” from the personal server she used during her time as secretary of state."

HogRider Admits He Lies

3750 PM: Hog_rider [Quote] -- 6:52pm -- Sun, May 6, 18 pst
I post primarily in order to enable myself to see what I think...
I don't care who hacks my computer........ I lie about everything . . . .

MwJohnson's Wealthy Children

8368 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 8:22am -- Sat, Jan 31, 15 pst
SCOUT....My kids have plenty of money to pay for anything catastrophic.

Stockticker, Lies, and Standards

7838 PM: Stockticker [Quote] -- 6:00pm -- Sun, Jan 4, 15 pst
. . . if you FIND a lie...point it out....don't come back with some all encompassing, but meaningless, slur about MY honesty unless you're prepared to be specific.

ACA Saves Money for Seniors

The Affordable Care Act’s prescription for the so-called “donut hole” in Medicare Part D has saved America’s disabled and elderly $5.7 billion on prescription drugs since being implemented, according to a report published Thursday (PDF) by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services.

Is It Wrong to Save Posts?

Do you suppose Dudley always tells the truth? 

5190 PM: Dudley -- Fri, Jul 9 8:04am PST ----- 
I am an asshole that can get under the skin of some, it is a gift.

Dino - Another Cousin Vinny?

942   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 1:45pm -- Thu, May 3, 18 pst
Condemnation before investigation is the height of ignorance.
You can't subpoena a sitting President for a crime he hasn't committed. Mueller is toast!

Cohen Suspected of a Crime

“There is a crime-fraud exception to attorney-client privilege,” Weisberg said. “The affidavits that went into the warrant application — and possibly direct conversations with the judge — would have had to give at least prima facie reason to believe that the communications, even where they were privileged, give some indication that Cohen was involved in committing or planning some kind of fraud.”


What does this tell us? First, it reflects that numerous officials — not just Mr. Mueller — concluded that there was probable cause to believe that Mr. Cohen’s law office, home and hotel room contained evidence of a federal crime. A search warrant for a lawyer’s office implicates the attorney-client privilege and core constitutional rights, so the Department of Justice requires unusual levels of approval to seek one. Prosecutors must seek the approval of the United States attorney of the district — in this case the office of Geoffrey Berman, the interim United States attorney appointed by President Trump.

Third, the search suggests that prosecutors most likely believe that Mr. Cohen’s clients used his legal services for the purpose of engaging in crime or fraud. Attorney-client communications are privileged, which is why it’s so unusual and difficult for prosecutors to get approval to search a law office. Justice Department regulations require federal prosecutors to set up a system to have a separate group — a so-called dirty team — review the files and separate out attorney-client communications so that the investigators and prosecutors won’t see anything protected by the privilege.

But if a client is using a lawyer’s services for the purpose of engaging in crime or fraud, there is no privilege. The very aggressive search of Mr. Cohen’s office for attorney-client files suggests that the prosecutors believe they can convince a judge that communications between Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen fall under the crime-fraud exception. If you think they can’t pull that off, think again — they’ve already done it once: Mr. Mueller persuaded a judge to apply the exception to compel testimony from Paul Manafort’s lawyer, arguing successfully that he engaged her services in order to commit fraud.

Ken White is a criminal defense attorney and former federal prosecutor at Brown White & Osborn LLP in Los Angeles.

Yes, Putin Set Out to Help Trump "Win"

''The ebullient reaction among high-ranking Russian officials — including some who U.S. officials believe had knowledge of the country’s cyber campaign to interfere in the U.S. election — contributed to the U.S. intelligence community’s assessment that Moscow’s efforts were aimed at least in part at helping Trump win the White House.'' - WAPO 

''The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.''  WAPO

''“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” said a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators. “That’s the consensus view.”  - WAPO

''The CIA shared its latest assessment with key senators in a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill last week, in which agency officials cited a growing body of intelligence from multiple sources. Agency briefers told the senators it was now “quite clear” that electing Trump was Russia’s goal . . . ''   - WAPO


Saturday, May 05, 2018

Trump Assures Reporters He’ll Make Giuliani a Better Liar

Just a day after he gave a rambling interview that may have implicated Donald Trump in two separate federal crimes and given Robert Mueller’s team a heap of new material, Rudy Giuliani, legal mind extraordinaire, is scrambling to set the record straight. In an interview with NBC News, the newest addition to Trump’s legal team explained that when the president denied knowing anything about Michael Cohen’s $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels—“no,” he answered last month when a reporter asked whether he was aware the cash had changed hands—it was because he’d only recently learned that the funds he sent to Cohen were intended to reimburse him for the hush money. “I don’t think the president realized he paid [Cohen] back for that specific thing until [his legal team] made him aware of the paperwork,” Giuliani said, adding that Trump’s response to the revelation was, “Oh my goodness, I guess that’s what it was for.”
Rudy’s feeble attempt at damage control came after he admitted to Sean Hannity on Wednesday that Trump was aware of the payment to Daniels. He dug that hole even deeper in a subsequent interview, asking, “Imagine if that came out on October 15, 2016, in the middle of the last debate with Hillary Clinton? . . . Cohen made it go away.” (Per the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, a monetary sum can’t be used “for the purpose of influencing any election for Federal office” in any way—including to stave off potentially damaging revelations about affairs with porn stars!) Giuliani reversed course on Thursday, claiming to NBC that “If there was no campaign, Cohen would have made the same payment in the same amount to prevent personal embarrassment and heartache to [Trump’s] wife.”
Scoffing at the theory that his controversial publicity spree had caused irreversible damage to Trump’s legal position, Giuliani framed his admissions as part of an elite strategy concocted between himself and the president: “I wanted to get out in front of the Special Counsel and the Southern District [of New York] because at some point they would realize this information and leak it,” he said.
If the president was looped in, however, his staff was not. “The first awareness I had was during the interview last night,” White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said on Thursday of Giuliani’s disclosure, while staffers were reportedly left “scrambling” to manage the fallout, and “expressed a mixture of exasperation and horror,” with one simply texting a Washington Post reporter “a string of emoji characters in response, including a tiny container of popcorn.” Evidently, emojis were in heavy use Wednesday—per The Wall Street Journal, “another official, asked about the thinking behind Wednesday’s announcement, responded by text only an emoji of a man shrugging.”
Cohen himself, who has recently expressed bewilderment at Trump’s counterproductive interviews, was caught off guard by Guiliani’s, too. Such were the depths of his displeasure, in fact, that they could not be contained by the broad lexicon of the emoji keypad. “He said, ‘look, there’s two people that know exactly what happened, myself and the president, and you’ll be hearing my side of the story,’” said Donny Deutsch, who spoke to Cohen on Thursday night. “And he was obviously very frustrated with what had come out yesterday.”
By Friday morning, even Trump had seemingly cottoned on to the fact that his newest lawyer’s pronouncements could make his life more difficult. “Rudy is a great guy, but he started a day ago,” the president told reporters, though Giuliani’s start date was actually two weeks earlier. “He’ll get his facts straight.” Whether those facts would be of the “alternative” variety or not, the president declined to say. As if to prove the point, he boldly denied ever having told reporters that he hadn’t known about the payment to Daniels, despite video evidence to the contrary. “You take a look at what I said,” he added. “You go take a look at what we said.”

The Naked Truth About Trump

The Naked Truth about Trump
By Maureen Dowd
May 5, 2018

Rudy Giuliani confused everyone a few days ago about the Stormy Daniels payoff. But, President Trump later assured, his new lawyer would “get his facts straight.”
WASHINGTON — Before I get to America’s Mayor and America’s Nightmare, I would like to say this:
Michelle Wolf was right when she turned a gimlet eye on the media.
“You guys are obsessed with Trump,” the comedian said at the White House Correspondents Dinner. “Did you used to date him? Because you pretend like you hate him, but I think you love him.
“I think what no one in this room wants to admit is that Trump has helped all of you. He couldn’t sell steaks or vodka or water or college or ties or Eric, but he has helped you. He’s helped you sell your papers and your books and your TV. You helped create this monster, and now you’re profiting off of him. If you’re going to profit off of Trump, you should at least give him some money, because he doesn’t have any.”
You know Donald Trump also believes that he is the best thing to ever happen to the media — and that he should be getting a cut of the action. There’s nothing he hates more than feeling that someone has profited off him, while he gets nothing. Remember when he proposed a $5 million ransom to show up at the CNN debate?
Donald Trump is damaging the country and civic discourse, and undermining the First Amendment. But this Batman cartoon villain with an uncanny gift for cliffhangers and lurid story lines is buoying journalism, giving us a reprieve while we figure out how to save ourselves in the digital age.
And he’s making journalists stars in a way they haven’t been since Watergate, inspiring documentaries and movies and helping them secure lucrative book and TV deals.
The most intense, toxic cat-and-mouse game in President Trump’s life is not with Robert Mueller. It’s with the press. (Besides, it’s not a cat-and-mouse game with Mueller; it’s just cat.)
Trump is an attention addict, and now he’s in a position to get all the attention in the world, as long as he keeps those sirens blaring. CNN has been on a constant Breaking News Alert for months. And we are Trump addicts, hooked on the hyperventilating rush of wild stories and all the great things that accrue from playing Beowulf to Trump’s Grendel.
As we pat ourselves on the back, though, for the grueling hours and Pulitzer-quality scoops, we should remember one thing: Even if we vanished tomorrow, Trump would probably end up in the same place.
You could put a nanny cam on the guy and leave the room, and he would crash out of his high chair. He incriminates himself faster than we can incriminate him. And he surrounds himself, in the Trumpland of Misfit Toys, with playmates who have that same perverse gift for self-incrimination and immolation.
You know you’re in trouble when Donald Trump has to correct you on the facts. And Rudy Giuliani is in trouble. He and the Donald, the lawyer who was a mob buster and the president who acts like a mob boss, cooked up a harebrained plan to get Trump past the Stormy Daniels problem.
The gruesome twosome, whose reputations have grown darker since the days when they swanned around New York as larger-than-life figuras, didn’t consult any top White House officials, even the counsel. When Ashley Parker, a Washington Post White House reporter, texted a West Wing adviser, the adviser texted back a string of emojis, including a popcorn box, as in they were just watching this horror movie from the audience.
Even on a great day, things are always unraveling with Trump. Chaos is always getting unleashed. Turbulence is always brewing.
So Rudy’s scheme quickly unraveled.
He admitted in TV interviews this week that President Trump had reimbursed Michael Cohen — also a Sean Hannity lawyer — for the $130,000 payoff to keep the porn star mum about her Lake Tahoe liaison with Trump, while claiming that the president didn’t know specifically what the payment was for. “Oh my goodness, I guess that’s what it was for,” Trump said, according to Giuliani, incredibly making the First Vulgarian sound more like Mike Pence or James Comey.
Instead of getting Trump out of a jam, it jammed him into a deeper hole, giving Mueller’s team new areas of legal inquiry and material to add to its mountain of damaging records, and possibly helping the special counsel fill in the blanks on the 70 blank subpoena forms he just requested from a courthouse in Virginia.
Trump distanced himself from his good friend, as he is wont to do, promising that Rudy will “get his facts straight.” This prompted Vanity Fair to write the headline: “Trump Assures Reporters He’ll Make Giuliani a Better Liar.”
Trump’s game is keeping everyone, especially the press, riveted.
“He needs the excitement,” says Trump biographer Michael D’Antonio. “Without the drama and the crisis and the powerful opponent, he’d be just another guy.”

Weed Predicts in 2009: No More Prez Elections

3073 PM: Weedhopper [Quote] --8:44pm --Fri, May 15, 09 pst
I think Obama knows there won't be any more presidential elections in the US

3454 PM: Weedhopper [Quote] --9:34pm --Fri, May 15, 09 pst
Why would I ignore the coming of the satan's christ?...there will be no more presidential elections.The game is over and the pagan deity 'liberty' lost

Dino Complains He Has to Pay His Own Way

Imagine that!

A right winger complaining that he has to pay his own way.

Excuse me while I break out my special WHINERS VIOLIN. *S*

8901 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 3:09pm -- Sat, May 5, 18 pst
Nothing but pain. Due to Obamacare they won't give me an MRI. So I have to pay for it myself.

8913   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 3:28pm -- Sun, May 13, 18 pst
You people rely on others and governments...I don't. I rely on GOD and myself.

8901 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 3:09pm -- Sat, May 5, 18 pst
Nothing but pain. Due to Obamacare they won't give me an MRI. So I have to pay for it myself.


Ahh --- the self-sufficient right winger fends for himself (with help from God, of course)

8913 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 3:28pm -- Sun, May 13, 18 pst
You people rely on others and governments...I don't. I rely on GOD and myself.

Until it's time for him to fend for himself, that is. Then he WHINES about having to pay his own way.

8901 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 3:09pm -- Sat, May 5, 18 pst
Nothing but pain . . . they won't give me an MRI. So I have to pay for it myself. 

Who Killed Vince Foster?

Yes, decades later, they're STILL obsessing over Vince Foster.

8687   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 12:59pm -- Sat, May 5, 18 pst
Doss, can you tell us who killed Vince Foster?

And  I DID answer his question:

8689 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 1:00pm -- Sat, May 5, 18 pst
doss - - - - - ''My attorneys plead the Fifth just like the mobsters. That I can tell you.''
Dino: Yes, I can tell you who killed Vince Foster. 

Rudy, Red Flags, and Real Trouble

Did Rudy REALLY say Trump ''funneled'' the money? Yes, he did! And that sends RED FLAGS up in the law enforcement community! And it also brings to mind human trafficking, and drug smuggling.

''Illegal accounts that funnel 'dirty' money made from crimes, such as human trafficking, human smuggling, and drug trafficking, are on the rise. These accounts are called funnel accounts (also known as interstate funnel accounts), a method used to launder money that exploits branch networks of financial institutions.''

From ''Twelve Red Flags for Funnel Accounts Used to Launder Money''

More CAG Hypocrisy

8549 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 11:44am -- Sat, May 5, 18 pst
Christians are Good
If you can't dispute the facts, dispute the person or source who recites them.

8567   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 11:47am -- Sat, May 5, 18 pst
Christians are Good
I realize you are the room idiot . . .

Friday, May 04, 2018

More Personal Attacks from the Right

I predicted this. *S* And it's just going to get uglier and more viciously personal as the noose tightens around Trump and his circle of thugs.

5988   PM:   Celeste   [Quote]     -- 4:08pm -- Fri, May 4, 18 pst
Doss:'ve always been ugly and it's always been personal. Nothing new under the sun.

5994   PM:   Charles   [Quote]     -- 4:11pm -- Fri, May 4, 18 pst
So basically, doss is a bigger pig than Trump.

9067   PM:   Charles   [Quote]     -- 3:54pm -- Sat, May 5, 18 pst
Scout is a disgusting, despicable, deplorable human being, and I know I am giving her way too much credit. 

6008   PM:   Charles   [Quote]     -- 4:15pm -- Fri, May 4, 18 pst
Yep. Doss is the bigger pig. 

Cinders Punked Yet Again

5338   PM:   Cinders2   [Quote]     -- 12:30pm -- Fri, May 4, 18 pst
Judge in Manafort Case Orders Govt to Hand Over Unredacted Rosenstein
Memo Detailing Mueller’s Scope

Trump Atty Says President "Funneled" Money

Did Rudy REALLY say Trump "funneled" the money? Yes, he did! And that sends RED FLAGS up in the law enforcement community! And it also brings to mind human trafficking, and drug smuggling.

"Illegal accounts that funnel 'dirty' money made from crimes, such as human trafficking, human smuggling, and drug trafficking, are on the rise. These accounts are called funnel accounts (also known as interstate funnel accounts), a method used to launder money that exploits branch networks of financial institutions."

From "Twelve Red Flags for Funnel Accounts Used to Launder Money"

Thursday, May 03, 2018

"Cheating Clause" May Threaten Trump's Wallet

A legal analyst on Chris Matthews show this evening (May 3, 2018)  began to describe her theory on why Trump's story on Stormy Daniels keeps changing. She began to say it has to do with the pre-nup Trump signed with Melania -- and that there may be a ''cheating clause'' that could spell REAL FINANCIAL TROUBLE for Trump.

As Matthews often does when a woman begins nailing a man's balls to the wall, he cut her off and wouldn't allow her to develop her theory for the TV audience.

But others too are speculating that Melania may have Donald by the short hairs (financially speaking) on this Daniels affair.

Wednesday, May 02, 2018

Paula Jones Rule Used against Trump

Summer Zervos is one of the women Trump said before the election that he was going to sue.

He backed down, of course.

But instead, she's suing HIM!

And she's invoked the Paula Jones Rule to force Trump to explain his conduct not ONLY toward Ms. Zervos, but toward ANY WOMAN they can find Trump discussing on MGM tapes. (Apprentice).

You know --- like discussing pussy grabbing, sexually assaulting them, etc.

''In the subpoena issued Wednesday, Ms. Wang asked M.G.M. to turn over all documents, video or audio that feature Ms. Zervos or Mr. Trump talking about Ms. Zervos. The subpoena also seeks any recording in which Mr. Trump speaks of women “in any sexual or inappropriate manner.”''

Dino --- Sower of Grapes

5496   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 1:54pm -- Wed, May 2, 18 pst
Condemnation before investigation is the height of ignorance.
More sower grapes from a liberal.

Trump Lies about Comey Memo

 From Glenn Kessler at the Washington Post Fact Checker:

"Trump cannot say that the memo regarding the Feb. 14 meeting — the one memo Comey specifically hoped would reach the news media — contained classified information. For whatever reason, Comey wrote it specifically so it would not be considered classified — and the FBI released it without a single redaction. Ergo, it is not classified. The president further tips this into Four Pinocchio territory by accusing Comey of committing a crime by releasing an unclassified memo."

"Gardener" Snakes in Texas?

4543   PM:   Rhino   [Quote]     -- 7:23am -- Wed, May 2, 18 pst
Whipple: here in central texas.. mostly rat snakes.. a few gardner.. but we do have rattlers and cottonmouth... toss in a few coral snakes

Tuesday, May 01, 2018

TJBob Admits He Can't Prove I Lied

2756   PM:   Tejanobob   [Quote]     -- 7:32pm -- Tue, May 1, 18 pst
Doss: It's a stupid challenge. Number 1, nobody could ever prove it to YOU. Number 2, it isn't necessary to prove it to those chatters that know you for the pathological liar you ARE. Don't bother wearing out your typing finger denying it.


2739   PM:   Doss   [Quote]     -- 7:29pm -- Tue, May 1, 18 pst
doss - - - - - ''My attorneys plead the Fifth just like the mobsters. That I can tell you.''
Tjbob: In all the years you and others have been accusing me of lying, I've kept open a STANDING invitation to show the statement of mine you claim is a lie; and to show that it is, in fact, a lie.

Always, always, always, you guys fail to meet the challenge.

Today is no different.

BTW -- if you repeat your lie about me enough times, you might even come to believe it. 


 In all the years in chat during which I've been accused of lying, I've kept open a STANDING invitation to my accusers to show the statement of mine they claim is a lie; and to show that it is, in fact, a lie.

Always, always, always, they  fail to meet the challenge. Instead, they attack my "worth."

Today is no different.


Dino Says Hillary Was Never Under Oath

1386 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 1:44pm -- Tue, May 1, 18 pst
I never said a thing about Hillary and the FBI. I said she never testified under oath.

CaG Notes; Some Don't Back Claims

2744 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 10:38am -- Tue, Apr 3, 18 pst
Christians are Good
Lots of people make claims and then can't back them up.

1303   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 12:29pm -- Tue, May 1, 18 pst
Christians are Good
This particular problem is self-inflicted given CA's immigrant policy, in addition to also having the same problems of being run down like other cities. Urban infrastructure is a future debt that will be paid in one form or another (drinkable water delivered locally by pipelines).

[ quoted: Weedhopper - CAG Pointing out San Franciscos current polarization of assets is just griping about a mud spot when the whole nations been living in a pig sty for nearly 40 years now ] 


Here is a statement from California on the rights of immigrants; I'm trying to find the part that causes the urban infrastructure to "run down" as CaG claims.

I'm not finding it.

Monday, April 30, 2018

Racism AND Homophobia in One?

6727 PM: Shutime [Quote] -- 9:59am -- Wed, Apr 25, 18 pst
ask him how many black dicks he has had shoved up this ass? white gays are the most racist of all

Trump Told Over 2400 Lies

Daniel Effron writes in the NYTIMES:

"In his first 400 days in office, President Trump made more than 2,400 false or misleading claims, according to The Washington Post. Yet a recent Gallup poll shows his approval ratings among Republicans at 82 percent. How do we square these two facts?"

Misty, Trolls, and Bannings

2005 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 3:25pm -- Tue, Nov 7, 17 pst
The trolls rejoice when someone is banned.

The Trumpsters Flip Out

Remember. We TOLD you this would happen to the Trump Monkeys.

5507   PM:   Dudley   [Quote]     -- 7:44am -- Mon, Apr 30, 18 pst
Jumping up and down up and down and screaming for someone to pay attention. *ROTFLMAO*

Rob Reiner on Correspondents' Dinner

"I attended the WHCD . . .  Donald Trump has so poisoned the atmosphere by attacking the disabled, gold star parents, Muslims, Mexicans, Blacks, women, the press, the rule of law that a comedian who simply tells the truth is offensive? She’s joking. He’s not."  - Rob Reiner

Rooster Is a Gentelman?

5201   PM:   Jajski   [Quote]     -- 6:03am -- Mon, Apr 30, 18 pst
Rooster, I can't imagine a gentleman like you would do that

Misty on Trashing Successful Women

4940   PM:   Mistysea   [Quote]     -- 5:36am -- Mon, Apr 30, 18 pst
Of course not -- they think it's okay to trash successful women.

Weed Saves Posts

Guess who saves |MY| posts.  *S*

4791   PM:   Weedhopper   [Quote]     -- 5:20am -- Mon, Apr 30, 18 pst
. . . He must really like you to pay so much attention to your posts that he thinks them worth saving

Sunday, April 29, 2018

Sunnybelle Accuses Hillary

3227   PM:   Sunnybelle   [Quote]     -- 5:50pm -- Sun, Apr 29, 18 pst
 . . . relax. Hillary is a criminal and she sold her influence. Some of that proof is already out there. Should I find a link for you?

Saturday, April 28, 2018

Cruz on Trump's Lying

What kind of man is Donald Trump?  Let's ask darling of the right wing, Senator Ted Cruz (Rep-TX).

''Whatever lie he's telling, at that minute he believes it ... the man is utterly amoral . . . Donald is a bully ... bullies don't come from strength they come from weakness.'' - Senator Ted Cruz - Free Republic -

"This man is a pathological liar. He doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. He lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth." - Senator Ted Cruz -  WDTN - Channel 2 News -

“This man is a pathological liar, he doesn’t know the difference between truth and lies … in a pattern that is straight out of a psychology textbook, he accuses everyone of lying. . . Whatever lie he’s telling, at that minute he believes it … the man is utterly immoral.”  -  Senator Ted Cruz - Fox 43 News -

Friday, April 27, 2018

Right Wingers Dishonor Our Veterans

Come Veterans Day and Memorial Day, they'll wipe a fake tear from their pretend crying eyes; wave their plastic flags; recite their empty pledges to the legions . . . . and then spit on the graves of those they pretend to honor.

5252 PM: Sunnybelle [Quote] -- 6:18am -- Sat, Apr 14, 18 pst
whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiining just to annoy Red lead in the head...

4396   PM:   Dudley   [Quote]     -- 5:57am -- Fri, Apr 27, 18 pst
Red, just was it who fired Comey metalhead?

4446   PM:   Dudley   [Quote]     -- 6:05am -- Fri, Apr 27, 18 pst
I didn't say meathead, I said metal head, it's empty and it echoes. I
don't know if Red is disabled, and I sure as fuck don't know if he was
disabled in the head. I just thought he was dense, like Natchez.

4481   PM:   Victor   [Quote]     -- 6:13am -- Fri, Apr 27, 18 pst
 . . . See what I mean about his dishonesty and attempts to pretend to be like honorable vets? . . .We all know that his own unit fragged him with a minor wound, just to get rid of his worthless, disgusting, cowardly ass....

Thursday, April 26, 2018

Pale Says He'll Bet

1630 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 1:10pm -- Thu, Apr 26, 18 pst
. . . I’ll bet good ole Harvey raised more money for just the Clintons than Bill raised for anyone.

Wednesday, April 25, 2018

TjBob -- In a Corner - Again

This is one way to corner a moron. Get him to say your views aren't worth challenging. I, though, didn't really corner TJBob; he cornered himself. I just gave him the paint and the brush and the latitude to start painting.

Now, he's given me carte blanche  to assert whatever I want to assert, and he must forego challenging me on it. If he DOES challenge my views, people will conclude he is either a liar, a chickenshit, a moron, or all three. Such is life.

8433   PM:   Tejanobob   [Quote]     -- 7:07pm -- Wed, Apr 25, 18 pst
Doss: If you had any views worthy of questioning, I might. NAH!

Trump on the Fifth Amendment

"Michael Cohen, the longtime attorney of President Trump, told a federal judge on Wednesday that he will invoke his Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself in a lawsuit brought by adult entertainer Stormy Daniels." - Washington Post

“The mob takes the Fifth. If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”  - Donald Trump

The jury can make negative inferences about the Trump Organization if Cohen pleads the fifth.

They're in deep shit.

''Federal courts may allow an adverse inference against a company from an employee’s or former employee’s invocation of the Fifth Amendment.''

Dudley and Guilt by Association

Later, Dudley will deny he ever posted this.

6900   PM:   Dudley   [Quote]     -- 10:26am -- Wed, Apr 25, 18 pst
You'd have to be a moron to try the old guilt by association crap in

Like this?
6921 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 10:30am -- Wed, Apr 25, 18 pst
HILLARY CLINTON CAN ADD a new name to her list of endorsements – a
prominent Ku Klux Klan member 


6937   PM:   Dudley   [Quote]     -- 10:34am -- Wed, Apr 25, 18 pst
Guilt by association is a fallacy, trying to blame me for your fallacy
just makes you look even more stupid. 

Misty: Trump Knew He Broke the Law

5940   PM:   Mistysea   [Quote]     -- 6:28am -- Wed, Apr 25, 18 pst
He knew then he would need an attorney? Wow... he must have known he broke the law sooner than most thought

"President Trump hires new lawyer to combat Mueller investigation"  - MSNBC

"Trump Hires Hulk Hogan's Lawyer" - NYPOST

"Trump hires lawyer to shield items seized in FBI raid on Cohen" - NBC News

"Trump just hired a deep-state conspiracy theorist as his lawyer" - Washington Post

Tuesday, April 24, 2018

Celeste Just Doesn't Care

4851   PM:   Celeste   [Quote]     -- 9:09pm -- Tue, Apr 24, 18 pst
 . . . Truthfully I could care less. If the world blows up, I only hope I'm one of the first to go.

Corroborrating the Steele 'Dossier'

Dino:  Others have noticed that  I support my claims with citations from reliable and reputable sources. They've noticed too that you don't.

From Slate: "One large portion of the dossier is crystal clear, certain, consistent, and corroborated. Russia’s goal all along has been to do damage to America and our leadership role in the world."

From the Washington Post: "I explained that the analysts from all three agencies agreed it was relevant and that portions of the material were corroborated by other intelligence. ... " -- Former FBI Director James Comey

Fox News guess CONFIRMS parts of the dossier have been corroborated.

From Fox News:
"Fox guest John Solomon admits some of Trump dossier has been corroborated by law enforcement"

Monday, April 23, 2018

MwJohnson and Insults

3370 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 2:19pm -- Sun, Apr 22, 18 pst
Gee, I don't think we have to be insulting to each other, do we?

Cinders Punked Again

8102   PM:   Cinders2   [Quote]     -- 4:00pm -- Mon, Apr 23, 18 pst

It sounds like Pompeo will be confirmed by the committee so that it
won't have to go to a full Senate vote.

Guns Make Sunnybelle "Very Very Hot"

In wingerville, it's considered "normal" to be sexually aroused by guns.

6867 PM: Sunnybelle [Quote] -- 11:01am -- Mon, Apr 2, 18 pst
I have to admit...the first time hubby showed me his gun collection it made me very very hot.

Johnson Tells US to Back HIS Claims for Him

We are not surprised when the Trump Monkeys demand WE back THEIR claims for them. *S*

7351   PM:   Mwjohnson   [Quote]     -- 12:50pm -- Mon, Apr 23, 18 pst
I don't link, find news on your own. I do.

Trump Campaign Tied to Russian Intelligence

"Mueller just connected a top Trump campaign staffer to Russian intelligence"

Every time the right wingers say, "No evidence of collusion, I have to wonder why the talking heads like Chuck Todd, for instance, fail to cite this well-known fact:

"Paul Manafort, the former chair of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, had a long professional relationship with a man connected to Russian intelligence. And special counsel Robert Mueller says that man, Konstantin Kilimnik, was still working with Russian intelligence in 2016, when Trump was running for president.

Kilimnik had worked with Manafort since 2005, helping with Manafort’s clients in Ukraine, and continued to talk with Manafort’s team during the election.
Mueller’s team made the link public on Wednesday, saying that Kilimnik was still working with Russian intelligence when he was communicating with the Trump team in September and October of 2016".

Name-calling, arm-flapping, and appeals to mockery will not change the facts, boys. *S*

"The Mueller link between Kilimnik and Russian intelligence comes from court documents filed in the case of a lawyer who worked with Manafort and Rick Gates."


Paperwork filed by Mueller in federal court:


From Mueller's filing IN federal court:

Case 1:18-cr-00031-ABJ Document 19 Filed 03/27/18

"That Gates and Person A were directly communicating in September and October 2016 was pertinent to the investigation. Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agents assisting the Special Counsel’s Office assess that Person A has ties to a Russian intelligence service and had such ties in 2016. During his first interview with the Special Counsel’s Office, van der Zwaan admitted that he knew of that connection, stating that Gates told him Person A was a former Russian Intelligence Officer with the GRU."

Sunday, April 22, 2018

Trump's Insults

The NYTIMES has cataloged 446 times Trump insulted people, places, and things on Twitter. Hold on to your hat.

Weed's False Equivalency

4460   PM:   Weedhopper   [Quote]     -- 7:20pm -- Sun, Apr 22, 18 pst
Sunnybelle - Sounds like both of you think your choice was the lesser of two evils...maybe I oversimplify it, but I vote for folks I don't think to be evil

BTW --- when confronted on his false equivalence, Weed decided he needed to "improve" on his original post.  I highlighted the part Weed added.

4479 PM: Weedhopper [Quote] -- 7:28pm -- Sun, Apr 22, 18 pst
Statistics show that 6 out of 7 dwarves are not happy
4460 PM: Weedhopper [Quote] -- 7:20pm -- Sun, Apr 22, 18 pst
Statistics show that 6 out of 7 dwarves are not happy
Sunnybelle - Sounds like both of you |(she and Watsup)| think your choice was the lesser of two evils...maybe I oversimplify it, but I vote for folks I don't think to be evil

Maybe Doss meant this which case he once again has shown his absurdly weak skill at reading

Natchez and Doss Drive Them Crazy

4258   PM:   Maggie   [Quote]     -- 6:16pm -- Sun, Jul 17, 11 pst
i am always amazed that natchez and dosset have managed to make grown men completely obsessive for more than a decade

4271   PM:   Grrllawyer   [Quote]     -- 6:18pm -- Sun, Jul 17, 11 pst
Natchez and Doss make then crazy

POL-CAT (the artist formerly known as 60 minuteman jr) . . . . Line #1720 . . . . Fri, Sep 24, 12:42PM PDT Limey...The idiots can't help themselves...They're still drawn to dosset and Natchez like moths to flame! I admire how successful the two of them are!

Misty and Proof

7258 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 5:22am -- Sat, Apr 21, 18 pst
they never have proof -- they throw shit against the wall.

Dino Decries Obsessions

3460   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 2:33pm -- Sun, Apr 22, 18 pst
I truly think it's a weird thing that adults would be so obsessed over someone else ina chat room.

4258   PM:   Maggie   [Quote]     -- 6:16pm -- Sun, Jul 17, 11 pst
i am always amazed that natchez and dosset have managed to make grown men completely obsessive for more than a decade

4271   PM:   Grrllawyer   [Quote]     -- 6:18pm -- Sun, Jul 17, 11 pst
Natchez and Doss make then crazy

Dino Goes "Vile"

2830 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 7:09am -- Sun, Mar 11, 18 pst
Please ignore my vileness..I've just had it with these pieces of scum in here.

Saturday, April 21, 2018

What Is in Hillary's Heart? In Melania's

So, when you guys accused Hillary of sticking with her husband PURELY for political reasons, it was because she was on record saying that was her reason?

366   PM:   Sunnybelle   [Quote]     -- 7:03pm -- Sat, Apr 21, 18 pst
Really unfair to call Melania a gold digger. Impossible to know whats in a woman's heart concerning a man unless she is on the record making specific claims as such.

Sunnybelle Confesses

287   PM:   Sunnybelle   [Quote]     -- 6:50pm -- Sat, Apr 21, 18 pst
TJ...Trump will never win any 'eloquent speaker' awards. However, he has won me over with his actions as potus. I'm a Trump supporter and I was once a 'never trumper'.

Celeste Winds Up

Do you think the Trumpsters are wound up a bit tight?  Yes, I'm pretty SURE they are. *S*

101   PM:   Celeste   [Quote]     -- 6:16pm -- Sat, Apr 21, 18 pst
Gumbo: Kiss my ass, you diseased cum stain.

TjBob Says Doss Is Natchez

9704   PM:   Tejanobob   [Quote]     -- 5:49pm -- Sat, Apr 21, 18 pst
Grrllawyer: I don't get confused.

So you weren't confused when you claimed Natchez and I are the same "peerson"?

TJBob : . . . . msg#4252 Sat, Jul 31, 7:17PM PST
I wasn't convinced that Natchass and dosset are one and the same by the exchange of responses. But the events of the past couple of days, and dosset himself have convinced me. They are the same peerson.

125   PM:   Tejanobob   [Quote]     -- 6:20pm -- Sat, Apr 21, 18 pst
Natchez and Doss are definitely not the same person.

Can Trump Pardon State Crimes?

 Here's what at least one legal scholar says about it:

''The downside for Trump is that his presidential pardon power does not extend to state crimes — for the same reasons that underlie the dual sovereignty principle. Mueller, of course, knows this, and may be setting up the infrastructure to allow Schneiderman to pursue any prosecutions in the event he can’t – or to conduct them simultaneously.''

Asha Rangappa is a former special agent in the Counterintelligence Division of the FBI in New York City. She is currently an associate dean at Yale Law School.

Dino Agrees He's "Batshit Crazy"

7482 PM: Veritas [Quote] -- 6:01am -- Sat, Apr 21, 18 pst
Raven, did Victor lie when he said you are ''batshit crazy''?


And here is Dino's answer . . .

7496 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 6:04am -- Sat, Apr 21, 18 pst
 . . .  He didn't lie.

Friday, April 20, 2018

Maybe a Bit Nazi-ish

4586   PM:   Dwightvol   [Quote]     -- 6:49am -- Sun, Jun 25, 17 pst
Mwjohnson: hile.

1593 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 11:01am -- Fri, May 1, 15 pst

715   PM:   Mwjohnson   [Quote]     -- 10:21am -- Wed, Jun 24, 15 pst
I suppose I should hang on to all my nazi stuff, probably worth something.

Thursday, April 19, 2018

Dudley and Discourse

1498 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 8:31am -- Thu, Apr 19, 18 pst
Why is normal discourse so difficult for you?

Wednesday, April 18, 2018

Right Wingers Are Flipping Out

1610 PM: Hog_rider [Quote] -- 7:05pm -- Wed, Jul 27, 16 pst
cowboy: Go suck your mothers dick........ asshole!

NYTIMES Catalog of Trump Lies

"Many Americans have become accustomed to President Trump’s lies. But as regular as they have become, the country should not allow itself to become numb to them. So we have catalogued nearly every outright lie he has told publicly since taking the oath of office. Updated: The president is still lying, so we've added to this list, taking it through Nov. 11, and provided links to the facts in each case."


The Washington Post is doing the same thing.

 In 466 days, President Trump has made 3,001 false or misleading claims

The Fact Checker’s ongoing database of the false or misleading claims made by President Trump since assuming office.  Updated April 30, 2018

Barbara Bush Blames Drink and Smoke

8499   PM:   Tejanobob   [Quote]     -- 5:16pm -- Wed, Apr 18, 18 pst
Mrs. Bush told her doctor, before she died, that George W. is the way he is because she drank and smoked during pregnancy.

Jajski Avoids the News

Jajsi: what I don't get is how someone can make the decision as you have to be willfully ignorant of what is going on in her country. I hope you don't take offense. I'm not the one who claimed you INTENTIONALLY avoid the news. You volunteered that information. I find it perplexing.

My brothers and I were raised to pay attention to current events; to examine them; to form opinions about the issues; and to STAY INFORMED. I just don't understand the mentality of those who intentionally remain in the dark.

8325 PM: Jajski [Quote] -- 4:21pm -- Wed, Apr 18, 18 pst
I avoid the news as much as possible. which part of that don't you get

Starve the Beast

Why pass a massive tax cut when employment is high and unemployment are low? Bruce Bartlett, former domestic policy adviser to President Ronald Reagan explains. From "The Washington Post":

"Because for decades, conservative intellectuals have pushed for big tax cuts; less to grow the economy and more because they want to “starve the beast.” They want to force a major overall spending cut that would be a political non-starter without first passing a tax cut that creates a deficit so large, something must be done about it. Spending cuts must be enacted, then, as they would be presented as the only way to pay for the already passed tax cut’s lost revenue."

Tuesday, April 17, 2018

Weed on Bigotry

3114 PM: Weedhopper [Quote] -- 2:34pm -- Tue, Apr 17, 18 pst
. . .  Assigning any negative quality to any sub group of people is bigotry.

Monday, April 16, 2018

TJBob Complains about Personal Insults

9070    PM:   Tejanobob   [Quote]     -- 6:35pm -- Mon, Apr 16, 18 pst
What amazes me is how chatters who are so happy with themselves and the imagined delusions of other chatters can spend so much time in chat hurling insults at each other.


You mean like this?

9129   PM:   Tejanobob   [Quote]     -- 6:42pm -- Mon, Apr 16, 18 pst
Scout: And you are the one who is absolutely confused, and admittedly happy with your condition. Funny, though . . . you don't sound happy.


Then there is this about the lack of cordiality.

1598   PM:   Tejanobob   [Quote]     -- 7:02pm -- Thu, Apr 19, 18 pst
Hogs: Everybody knows something that nobody else knows. If we could ever have a cordial conversation, we could ALL benefit. Won't happen in BTP, but do you see what I'm saying. 

Saturday, April 14, 2018

Pee-Tape Seems More Likely

The pee-tape thing is gaining credibility. David Corn and Michael Isikoff report that Trump was a fan of a certain night club in Vegas that featured a rather ''unique'' stage show. This is from a Jonathan Chaite piece in "New York Magazine."

''Among the club’s regular acts cited by the judge was one called “Hot for Teacher,” in which naked college girls simulate urinating on a professor. In another act, two women disrobe and then “one female stands over the other female and simulates urinating while the other female catches the urine in two wine glasses.”''

I'm a Peeliever" - by Jonathan Chaite

''James Comey’s book describes a President Trump “obsessed” with allegations compiled in a dossier by British agent Christopher Steele that he was secretly recorded in Moscow in 2013 paying prostitutes to urinate on a bed that President Obama had slept in. I used to doubt that this episode really happened. I now believe it probably did. I am obviously far from certain, but since Steele’s dossier came out, an accumulation of evidence has tipped the balance from unlikely to likely.'' - Jonathan Chaite

Trees Produce Smog?

8097   PM:   Palerider   [Quote]     -- 4:39pm -- Sat, Apr 14, 18 pst
dosset here’s a test and opportunity for you to start gaining some credibility.

On trees produce ozone, I gave a later, fuller statement on that topic. That trees have
been shown to produce smog, the chief ingredient of which is ozone, and that they do it in
the same way cars produce smog. This in relation to the Reagan statement.

Do you acknowledge I made the fuller claim?


8155   PM:   Palerider   [Quote]     -- 4:53pm -- Sat, Apr 14, 18 pst
dosset no, again no “all sorts”. There’s the simple claim in your saved post. And since you
couldn’t make heads or tails of how it corresponds to the Princeton paper on it, I have
made, previously and again today, made the claim more detailed so the fullness of it fit
precisely into the Princeton paper, giving you a chance to understand it.

Do you acknowledge that I’ve made a fuller claim than your saved post, yes or no?

8222   PM:   Palerider   [Quote]     -- 5:02pm -- Sat, Apr 14, 18 pst
I predict that dosset will not acknowledge the fuller claim was made and he will still
continue to post the simpler save version. He will do this because he will contend that
since I didn’t lay it out specifically, that both cars and trees create VOC’s and VOC’s react
to other present atmospheric gasses and sunlight to become ozone, where ozone is the
primary ingredient of smog, that means the simple statement is wrong and crazy. But it
may more accurately show that dosset either doesn’t understand the science, or chooses
not to understand the science because he can’t stand that Reagan said something that
turns out to be true, where I serve as a proxy for his hand ringing on that. This refusal to
acknowledge the fuller claim likely shows he knows that it will completely fit the scientific
papers easily found on the topic and underscores his dishonesty on this topic.

8351   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 5:22pm -- Sat, Apr 14, 18 pst
He never said that you lying JACK ASS!

[ quoted: Doss - Pale No matter how many lies you tell no matter how much you whine no matter how many of your lying buddies come to help prop you up trees STILL do not produce ozone. S ]

Now for the truth:

4897 PM: Palerider -- Wed, Mar 22 9:34am pst
dosset doesnt like it that trees produce the same ozone in the same way cars do

Palerider -- Tue, Jun 4 1:24pm PST -----
Reagan's statement... that trees produce ozone was in fact proven to be correct....