Dudley Declares

4297 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 5:44am -- Wed, Jun 8, 16 pst
Dudley

Pandora, I'll explain it to you because you're too fucking stupid to
understand it on your own. When you make a declarative statement and
have nothing to back it up, then the only proof is your assumption that
it is true, and that's not logical. Just more proof that you're an
illogical fucktard.

Pale and Questions

Pale: You'll see THIS one again.

1624   PM:   Palerider   [Quote]     -- 10:48am -- Thu, Dec 28, 17 pst
Palerider
 . . .  tisk tisk. Try the question asked.

Dino's Bigotry Is Too Much for Sunnybelle

Ordinarily, Sunny tolerates bigotry from her right winger friends; but Dino's is just too much for even her.

5377 PM: Sunnybelle [Quote] -- 7:48am -- Sun, Aug 20, 17 pst
Sunnybelle
Raven, I told you when I put you in ignore. You enjoy indulging in bigotry. I have no patience for it.

Trump’s Biggest Whoppers of 2017

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-biggest-whoppers-2017-n830746



 1. More people watched the inauguration than ever before

“The overall audience was, I think, the biggest ever to watch an inauguration address, which was a great thing,” the president said on Jan. 26, six days after he was sworn in.

Ample evidence refutes this claim. From the crowds to the television ratings, Barack Obama’s 2009 inauguration attracted a bigger audience than Trump’s.

The White House said 720,000 people attended the Jan. 20 inauguration in person, while Trump estimated 1.5 million. Both figures were disputed by fact checkers. But even if you take the White House at face value, that's still fewer than the 1.8 million who attended Obama’s first inauguration — the District of Columbia's estimate.

Approximately 30.6 million people tuned in to watch Trump’s inauguration on television, down from the 37.8 million viewers who watched Obama’s 2009 inauguration. (Ronald Reagan's 1981 inauguration still holds the record, with 41.8 million TV viewers.)

The White House spokesman at the time, Sean Spicer, pointed to 17 million streaming starts of the inauguration reported by CNN, suggesting it was live streaming that made it the “largest audience to witness an inauguration, period.”

These numbers aren’t an exact science — a page reloading counts as a second stream, as does an accidental click, and most networks did not release streaming numbers — but that same inexact science showed bigger numbers for Obama. In 2009, even amid the early days of live streaming, CNN reported 21 million streams for Obama's inauguration.
2. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote because of fraud

Millions of illegal votes cost the president the popular vote, Trump told lawmakers in a meeting on Jan. 23.

There is no evidence that there were millions of fraudulent ballots cast, let alone enough to make up the nearly 3 million votes separating Clinton and Trump in the popular vote. Voter fraud is extremely rare, and the president appears to have acknowledged the reality of the 2016 election at least once — in legal filings.

“All available evidence suggests that the 2016 general election was not tainted by fraud or mistake,” his own lawyers wrote in a court filing opposing the recount efforts by a third party, as posted by The Washington Post.
3. Michael Flynn didn't do 'anything wrong'

"When I looked at the information, I said, I don't think he did anything wrong. If anything, he did something right,” Trump said in an interview on Feb. 16. “The thing is, he didn’t tell our vice president properly.”

After asking for the resignation of National Security Adviser Michael Flynn — Trump said he did so for misleading Vice President Mike Pence about his sanctions-related discussions with Russian officials — the president said his adviser had done nothing wrong.

But Flynn had done something "wrong," and Trump knew about at least some part of it 18 days before he fired Flynn. The White House was informed in meetings on Jan. 26 and Jan. 27 that Flynn had exposed himself to blackmail by lying to the vice president about his conversations with Russians, the acting attorney general at the time, Sally Yates, later testified under oath. Trump was briefed by the White House attorney on Jan. 26, NBC News reported.

"We felt like it was critical that we get this information to the White House, in part because the vice president was unknowingly making false statements to the public and because we believed that General Flynn was compromised with respect to the Russians," Yates said.

Flynn also committed a crime when he lied about the same conversation to the FBI, and he pleaded guilty to doing so as part of special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into the Trump campaign's contacts with Russia. The president’s lawyers won’t say whether Trump knew Flynn had lied to the FBI at the time of Flynn's firing.
4. 'Look what's happening last night in Sweden'

"We've got to keep our country safe. You look at what's happening in Germany, you look what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden! Who would believe this?" Trump said Feb. 18.

The truth? Nothing happened "last night in Sweden."

Trump, criticizing Europe's refugee policy at a rally in defense of his travel ban, appeared to invent a terrorist attack in Sweden to make his point.

According to the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet, the Friday night in question was marked by mostly unremarkable news including an alleged drunken driver, an avalanche warning and a famous singer having technical problems in rehearsal.
5. Obama bugged Trump Tower

On March 4, Trump tweeted that his predecessor had wiretapped him.

This is false.

On March 5, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper told NBC News in an exclusive interview that "there was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president, the president-elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign."

Later, the Justice Department confirmed this in a lawsuit in September saying that the department and the FBI “have no records related to wiretaps as described."
6. Russia investigation is 'a made-up story'

“You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won,” the president told NBC News’ Lester Holt on May 11.

"This Russia thing" is very real.

The U.S. intelligence community confirmed that Russia interfered in the 2016 election in a interagency report released in early January, and the FBI was investigating Russian efforts to aid the president before the outcome of the election was decided, The New York Times reported. A probe is being conducted by special counsel Robert Mueller — in which four former Trump campaign officials have already been charged — while the House and Senate intelligence committees continue to investigate as well.

What's more, Trump was warned by the FBI in the weeks after he secured the Republican nomination that Russians would try and infiltrate his campaign.

And despite the Trump team’s insistence that they had no ties to Russia, The Washington Post reported that at least nine people in his circle had contact with Russians during the campaign and transition.

Those include Flynn (who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI); a foreign policy adviser named George Papadopoulos (also charged as part of Mueller's probe); former campaign chairman Paul Manafort (charged on multiple counts, including conspiracy against the U.S.); Trump's oldest son, Donald Jr.; Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner; Trump's personal attorney, Michael Cohen; and Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who was an adviser and U.S. senator during the campaign.
7. Counterprotesters in Charlottesville lacked a permit

“There were people in that rally — and I looked the night before — if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people — neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest — because I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit,” Trump said Aug. 15.

These comments — an apparent efforts to defend the white nationalists who rallied in Charlottesville, Virginia — set off a political firestorm. They were also false.
Image: Rally in Charlottesville
White nationalists carry torches on the grounds of the University of Virginia, on the eve of a planned Unite The Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, on Aug. 11, 2017. Picture taken August 11, 2017. Alejandro Alvarez / News2Share via Reuters file

There were two protests that weekend: one on Friday at the University of Virginia, and the other on Saturday in a park near the Robert E. Lee statue in question. The first required no permits — it began on the UVA campus, where none are needed — and at the second, both groups had permits. The Washington Post published the counterprotesters' permit, with some personal information removed, and an NBC affiliate reported on the white nationalist group's permit here. Anti-white nationalist protesters did not rally without permission.

And counter to Trump's defense, the white nationalists were also not particularly quiet in the first protest Friday. Men with torches marched while chanting “blood and soil” — a Nazi slogan — and “Jews will not replace us.”
8. America pays the most in taxes

"We pay more tax than anybody in the world. We’re going to reduce taxes," Trump said Aug. 10.

This was one of Trump's most frequent complaints on the campaign trail and one of his most repeated falsehoods.

Tax experts say that no matter how you do the math, Americans do not pay more in taxes than their international peers.

Trump also claimed repeatedly that America is the highest-taxed nation in the world. It’s not, according to the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan think tank.
9. Tax reform will 'cost me a fortune'

Tax reform “is going to cost me a fortune — this thing, believe me, believe me, this is not good for me,” the president told a Missouri crowd on Nov. 29.

This is false. An NBC News analysis of the House tax plan — the only piece of tax-related legislation that had passed in Congress at the time of Trump's statement — found that it would personally save the president $20 million. His family was estimated to save more than $1 billion based on his reported wealth and his 2005 tax return, the only publicly available return.

The tax bill has been modified since then, but the president still stands to gain personally: His limited liability companies will be taxed at a lower rate, thanks to the changes on how pass-through income is treated, while the larger commercial real estate industry is expected to significantly benefit.

Trump on Diversity

8380   PM:   Redcatcher   [Quote]     -- 8:29am -- Mon, Dec 25, 17 pst
Happy Holidays!
''Donald Trump's guide to diversity:

Haitians: Have AIDS
Nigerians: Live in huts
American Indians: Pocahontas
Black Americans: Disrespectful ingrates
Mexicans: Criminals and rapists
Muslims: Evil terrorists
Women: Treat them like shit

White supremacists: Very fine people''

Dino Is "Loosing" It

8001 PM: Dino [Quote] -- 4:55pm -- Wed, Feb 3, 16 pst

Dino

I read somewhere that viagra gives you memory loss.

 



6708   PM:   Raven  
[Quote]     -- 2:34pm -- Fri, Sep
15, 17 pst

My mind isn't what it once was...

3527   PM:   Raven  
[Quote]     -- 6:02pm -- Sat, Dec
23, 17 pst

. . . Doc says I need
to do things to stir my memory. Cause Imma kinda loosing it.

Dino's License

2777 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 3:40pm -- Sat, Dec 23, 17 pst
I can't post my license....I'd get banned.

Rhino Vulgarity

9168 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 7:01am -- Mon, Dec 18, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Vamp: and just plain gross.. with ole saggy tits 



9156 PM: Vamp [Quote] -- 6:58am -- Mon, Dec 18, 17 pst

Vamp

Weed...she wants you to lick her ass to redeem yourself



9168 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 7:01am -- Mon, Dec 18, 17 pst

Texas Strong

Vamp: and just plain gross.. with ole saggy tits 

Dino's Flipping Out

Remember:  I TOLD you guys that as Mueller closes in the Flying Monkey Trolls will become ANGRIER and ANGRIER; and CRAZIER and CRAZIER.  *S*





7798   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 7:45pm -- Sun, Dec 17, 17 pst

. . .  Doss..fair warning...stop posting or I will again make a fool of you. Got it?

MwJohnson Climbs into Bed with Putin

Mwjohnson [Quote] --
10:56am -- Sat, Feb 25, 17 pst

It is true. I would
trust the Russians before I would trust a Dem Admim.

The Paula Jones "Shakedown"

CaG explain's Paula Jones' lawsuit against Clinton. Remember whose husband was one of the lawyers. Think Kellyanne Conway.



1132   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 12:24pm -- Sat, Dec 16, 17 pst

Christians are Good

Sexual harassment lawsuits are a shakedown . . . They are a gold mine for attorneys seeking to get rich.



_____________________________



CaG says that not only did Jones run a "shakedown" on Bill Clinton; she should be held legally liable for it --- even to the point of being criminally prosecuted.



4329   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 6:57am -- Fri, Feb 9, 18 pst

Christians are Good

Any woman or man who can't accompany a public claim of sexual harassment (which can mean almost anything from a wink across the room to physical rape) with a police report in hand ought to be charged with a criminal or civil complaint.

More Indictments? More Denial

As Mueller obtains MORE felony convictions, we'll see MORE and MORE conversations from the wacky right about:


diet, furniture finishing, baking, gardening, cars, grandchildren,
puppies, vacations, weather, sock-folding, and a plethora of ailments
from bunions to hair loss.

More Misogyny

They have absolutely NO respect for women.



778 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 6:01am -- Thu, Sep 14, 17 pst

Rhino -- Texas Strong!

Deltamike: daddy's usually have a rough time when the girls learn to drive... cause.. women drivers suck..



___________________



Misogyny?

You bet.

7129   PM:   Rhino   [Quote]     -- 2:14pm -- Wed, Dec 27, 17 pst
Texas Strong
Raven: when it comes to that cunt violet.. she is what she gets.. 

Planoman and Bannings

1795   PM:   Grim   [Quote]     -- 11:49am -- Thu, Dec 14, 17 pst

Grim Reaper

***************

Fear not death

but only wasting time

Doss: I wanted to talk to you about that Planoman post of the docket number.







1806   PM:   Grim   [Quote]     -- 11:51am -- Thu, Dec 14, 17 pst

Grim Reaper

***************

Fear not death

but only wasting time

Doss: So your position is it is not you. I think he believes it is you and so that is an attempt to post information that will lead to the user and therefor bannable. I might consider doing nothing.



1808   PM:   Doss   [Quote]     -- 11:51am -- Thu, Dec 14, 17 pst

doss - - - - - Trump: ''Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.''

[Quoting Grim: ''I wanted to talk to you about that Planoman post of the docket number.'']

Several of them apparently think they have located me; and they share information about some dude who has (or had) a court case going on.



They like to try to intimidate me with the information; but it's not me. They're fucking clueless.



Remember: These are the same people who told us birds are mammal.



______________________________________





1818   PM:   Doss   [Quote]     -- 11:53am -- Thu, Dec 14, 17 pst
doss - - - - - Trump: ''Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.''
It's not me.

I thought of asking you to do something about it; but if you do, they'll take THAT as confirmation (falsely) that it IS me.

So,
I just tell them what I told you about them. ''You[re] as good at
stalking as you are at defending your political views; that is you
SUCK!'' *S* 



______________________________________________________

1835 PM: Grim [Quote] -- 11:56am -- Thu, Dec 14, 17 pst
Grim Reaper
***************
Fear not death
but only wasting time
Doss: The Attempt to post a users personal information that can lead to the user is bannable..... even if they get it wrong.






1836   PM:   Grim   [Quote]     -- 11:57am -- Thu, Dec 14, 17 pst

Grim Reaper

***************

Fear not death

but only wasting time

Doss: Ok so you prefer I don't ban for it.. apparently.



__________________________

1843   PM:   Doss   [Quote]     -- 11:58am -- Thu, Dec 14, 17 pst
doss - - - - - Trump: ''Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.''
I don't care if you ban him. It's fine with me.

______________________________________________________


1847   PM:   Grim   [Quote]     -- 12:00pm -- Thu, Dec 14, 17 pst
Grim Reaper
***************
Fear not death
but only wasting time
Doss: Oh goody. 

_____________________________



1853   PM:   Grim   [Quote]     -- 12:02pm -- Thu, Dec 14, 17 pst



Grim Reaper

***************

Fear not death

but only wasting time



Planoman banned two weeks. Posting what he thinks is personal information that can lead to a chatter here.



I am INTOLERANT of people trying to post others personal information in public here.



_______________________________



2113   PM:   Doss   [Quote]     -- 12:42pm -- Thu, Dec 14, 17 pst

doss - - - - - Trump: ''Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.''

Nor did I complain to Grim about Planoman's attempted stalking.



Someone else brought it to Grim's attention.



____________________________________



2094 PM: Grim [Quote] -- 12:40pm -- Thu, Dec 14, 17 pst

Grim Reaper

***************

Fear not death

but only wasting time

Raven: I don't tell how mails me a complaint. But I have often verified who does not mail me. I won't play 20 questions with it. FYI: Doss did not mail me.



________________________________________



2104   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 12:41pm -- Thu, Dec 14, 17 pst

Far as I am concerned he did! If they can make stuff about me, I can return the favor.



[ quoted: Grim - Raven I dont tell how mails me a complaint But I have often verified who does not mail me I wont play 20 questions with it FYI Doss did not mail me ]

Power to the People --- Thank You, Women!

Women hold more power than they may realize.


As far as I'm concerned, I WANT policy decisions made by the ones who
work their fingers to the bone; sacrifice their health, their sleep,
their well-being for their family; clean up after a vomiting child; take
off work to carry a sick child to the doctor; feed a hungry infant at
2am; change a shitty diaper; do the shittiest work at 76% of the pay;
crawl on their knees and work their asses to death for their children,
their families, and their community.

Yeah --- I'd like to see women rise up and bring about change.

CaG and Allegations

7781 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 1:36pm -- Wed, Dec 13, 17 pst
Christians are Good
Allegations do not a case prove.

Rightwingers and Shit

There is a reason right wingers like
Planoman go on and on about women's menstrual cycles, men's genitalia,
homosexuality, and scatological insults.

We're just not sure what it is.

Johnson and the ACA

You are lying, Johnson. This did NOT happen. You simply made it up like a shameless piece of shit liar.

4210   PM:   Mwjohnson   [Quote]     -- 7:39pm -- Tue, Dec 12, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
Just like the losing dems passed Obamacare after they'd lost, but before they left.

Innocent?

3856 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 6:37pm -- Tue, Dec 12, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
Wat...I support the edict that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, *shrugs*

Planoman Says Trump Has Already Built the Wall

No, Planoman; You said he'd already
delivered the building of the wall. He hasn't. Were you lying? Or are
you just misinformed?

2495 PM: Planoman [Quote] -- 1:23pm -- Tue, Dec 12, 17 pst
Planoman
[Quoting Maggie: ''which campaign promises has he accomplished plano??'']
Tasx reform (in the works)
repeal ACA (mandate is dead)
Economy
Travel Ban
The wall
TPP dead
Paris dead..
Nafta will be renegociated

Just to mention a few

Papadopoulos Lies

"Defendant PAPADOPOULOS further told the investigating agents that the professor was " a nothing " and "just a guy talk[ing] up connections or something." In truth and in fact, however, defendant PAPADOPOULOS understood that the professor had substantial connection s to Russian government officials (and had met with some of those officials in Moscow immediately prior to telling defendant PAPADOPOULOS about the "thousands of emails") and, over a period of months, defendant PAPADOPOULOS repeatedly sought to use the professor's Russian connections in an effort to arrange a meeting between the Campaign and Russian government officials." [Emphasis added]

Pale Comes to Clinton's Defense

1657   PM:   Palerider   [Quote]     -- 10:02am -- Tue, Dec 12, 17 pst

Palerider

. . . Do I believe Juanita? Yes . . .

__________________________________



Good. She says Clinton did NOT make "unwelcome sexual advances toward" her. We're glad you're coming on board.



From Juanita Broadderick's sworn affidavit:



"During the 1992 Presidential campaign there were unfounded rumors and stories circulated that Mr. Clinton had made unwelcome sexual advances toward me in the late seventies. Newspaper and tabloid reporters hounded me and my family, seeking corroboration of these tales. I repeatedly denied the allegations and requested that my family's privacy be respected. These allegations are untrue and I had hoped that they would no longer haunt me, or cause further disruption to my family."



http://anusha.com/janedoe5.htm

Pale Acknowledges the Danger of Voter Suppression

1606   PM:   Palerider   [Quote]     -- 9:46am -- Tue, Dec 12, 17 pst
Palerider
Maggie if those in authority do not recognize the authority of the system,
then it all is ripe to break down.

Sexism, Misogyny, and Women Who Fight It

Message to Trump from Senator Gillibrand:


''You cannot silence me or the millions of women who have gotten off
the sidelines to speak out about the unfitness and shame you have
brought to the Oval Office.''

---

Message to Gillibrand from Planoman:

7295 PM: Planoman [Quote] -- 11:59am -- Mon, Dec 11, 17 pst
Planoman
who gives a shit...she can join the maxiepad gang

They Always Go Personal

I can challenge Rhino's thinking without attacking him personally. I merely ask him to explain his reasoning.

His response?

He attacks my ''worth'' as a human being.

It's sad --- but this is where you guys are now.

How Trump "Won"

Trump was put in the WH by:



  1) Vote suppression by the right;



  2) A thirty year smear campaign against Hillary by the right and their hand-maidens in the media;



  3) Smears of Hillary by the FBI Director;



  4) Two BILLION in free media coverage given to Trump by the cable networks;



  5) “Active Measures” operation launched by Putin to plant fake news stories intended to damage Hillary's chances and to help Trump’s;



  6) Trump's shameless appeal to bigotry, racism, misogyny, etc. Yes, unfortunately there are a lot of quarters in US society where such an appeal works.



  7) The Trump campaign's criminal conspiracy with Russian operatives for the tactical release of stolen emails for the purposes of harming Clinton's campaign and aiding Trump's.



  8) Illegal contributions by National Enquirer parent company designed to deprive US voters of scandalous but factual information about Trump.



  9) Successful illegal campaign contribution scheme plotted by Trump and his attorney to defraud US voters of information that would likely have cost him the election.



________________



What do you think a more effective campaign manager could have done to STOP the FBI Director from torpedoing the campaign TWICE?



Or what could a more effective HRC campaign manager have done to prevent the cable networks from giving Trump an estimated $2 billion in free air time?



Or what could a more effective HRC campaign manager have done to prevent the media from joining forces with the right wingers to smear her?



_______________



Trump admitted that Russia helped elect him.

"Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected."

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1134066371510378501?s=21

Planoman Admits He Spies for Putin

So you |ARE| a Putin spy? Damn, I was only kidding!

7629   PM:   Doss   [Quote]     -- 12:50pm -- Mon, Dec 11, 17 pst
doss
Pale: Planoman KNOWS better than to deny he's a spy for Putin.

7630   PM:   Planoman   [Quote]     -- 12:50pm -- Mon, Dec 11, 17 pst
Planoman
  . . . nope, it's the truth

Pale, Mistrels, and Menstruation

7501   PM:   Palerider   [Quote]     -- 12:32pm -- Mon, Dec 11, 17 pst

 Palerider

Minstrel pad is to women what a dildo is to men?  . . .

---

WTF? 

Right winger Misogyny

Misogyny, anyone?



7295   PM:   Planoman   [Quote]     -- 11:59am -- Mon, Dec 11, 17 pst

Planoman

who gives a shit...she can join the maxiepad gang



How about stupidity?






2341 PM:  Planoman  [Quote]  -- 12:45pm -- Tue, Dec 12, 17 pst

Planoman

so...a maxipad is a kotex Judas?...are you sure you want to go with

that?...Fucking dumbass



"Available
in regular and long length, U by Kotex Security Maxi Pads are
latex-free, lotion-free and fragrance-free."



https://www.gotomedsupply.com/kotex-maxi-pad-regular-absorbency


_______________________



Another one for Imzadi's Stupid Chat Tricks. *S*



2410   PM:   Planoman   [Quote]     -- 12:58pm -- Tue, Dec 12, 17 pst

Planoman

...Judas is laughable thinking a maxipad is a kotex

Planoman Says Clapper is a "Noted Liar"

7054  PM:  Planoman   [Quote]  -- 11:04am  -- Mon, Dec 11, 17 pst

Planoman

Clapper is a noted liar..............

Victor and Sources

1019 PM: Victor [Quote] -- 8:36am -- Sun, Oct 11, 15 pst
Victor
Since your claim is not sourced, it is meaningless.

Trump on Trial

“This is Donald Trump on trial in Alabama,” Moore’s campaign strategist Dean Young said on ABC News’ “This Week.”



http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/moore-campaign-strategist-says-senate-race-is-trump-on-trial

Christians Misogyny

1612 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 3:54pm -- Wed, Apr 6, 16 pst
Christians are Good
There certainly are exceptions, but for the most part women have performed poorly in leadership roles.

Acquitted?

Punchy:  So what does "acquitted" mean?

9678   PM:   Punchy   [Quote]     -- 8:37am -- Sat, Dec 9, 17 pst
and the cop was acquitted... man, what a sin

Why Trump Backs Moore

Why did Trump back Moore? Aside from
their obvious mutual interest in sexually abusing children, they both
also seem to have a weird affinity for Putin.  From the Washington Post.

Roy Moore: ''Putin may be right, America is the focus of modern evil in the world.'' 



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/12/08/roy-moore-america-was-great-in-era-of-slavery-is-now-focus-of-evil-in-the-world/?utm_term=.658f258c638f



https://tinyurl.com/ycn4s69l

Misty Believes Trump Is Guilty of Something

Misty CONFIRMS Trump assaulted women:

4096   PM:   Mistysea   [Quote]     -- 5:28am -- Fri, Dec 8, 17 pst
Mistysea
Had Trump done anything.... the news media would be interviewing the women involved......

---

Uh-oh!

"Donald Trump accuser speaks to Anderson Cooper"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5AZnj3HaKY

Trump, Planoman, and Bankruptcy

1805 PM: Planoman [Quote] -- 2:06pm -- Thu, Dec 7, 17 pst

Planoman

Trump never filed for bankrupcty

---

Fact-Check looked into it.



Yes, he filed bankruptcy SIX TIMES. *S*



https://tinyurl.com/y95j3lht

CaG Admits Misstating Something Isn't a Lie

CaG: So if Hillary misstates, that is not a falsehood.

Okay you are catching on.

 784   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 10:36am -- Thu, Dec 7, 17 pst
Christians are Good
So if Trump the businessman misstates, that isn't a falsehood.

Jobs Growth under Obama

When President Obama left office in 2017, we had enjoyed its longest streak of consecutive months of jobs growth in US history.



https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-enjoying-its-longest-lasting-streak-of-jobs-growth-2017-02-03

Clinton Accusers Lied

Not even Kenneth Starr believed Kathleen Willey.



"Starr's office eventually concluded, "the evidence was insufficient to
prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the President’s
deposition testimony about his conduct with Willey was false," and that,
"Even assuming Willey’s testimony was truthful about the incident with
President Clinton, her testimony at trial would be subject to further
challenge based on the differences between her deposition and grand jury
statements, as well as her acknowledgement of false statements to the
Office of the Independent Counsel.""



https://www.vox.com/2016/10/9/13221670/paula-jones-kathleen-willey-bill-clinton-sexual-harassment-accusations



____________________________________________________





Every one of Clinton's accusers turned out to have either outright lied under oath; or to have lied SO MANY TIMES otherwise that even Starr knew he could NEVER put them on the stand.



Ever wonder why there were ZERO fact witnesses called during the impeachment hearings in the House?



Because they couldn't FIND any who hadn't already been proven to have lied.



__________________________________________________





Flowers was paid $500,000 to pretend to be Bill Clinton's lover. She claimed to have had an ongoing torrid affair with him
in a hotel that hadn't even been BUILT yet. But they
forgot to TELL her, ''When you claim you met him for sex, be sure and
pick a hotel that HAD been BUILT by that time.''

The Paula
Jones case was thrown out; with the republican judge remarking that EVEN
IF her story were true, it was NOT sexual harassment.

The
Kathleen Willey case was DROPPED by Starr after she ADMITTED to lying to
his investigators; he acknowledged that they'd NEVER get a jury to
believe her.

Juanita Broadderick, who famously accused
Clinton of raping her SWORE TWICE UNDER OATH that he didn't even assault
her; much less rape her.

Every single case they tried to make against Clinton fell to PIECES when it turned out the witnesses were LYING.

When an accuser swears both that he DID and that he DIDN'T, that sort of nukes the case against the accused.

And that is what happened with both Broadderick AND Lewinsky. 

Misty Never Read the Bible

I had a feeling Misty had never read the Bible.

6893 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 1:00pm -- Wed, Dec 6, 17 pst
Mistysea
Roostercogburn: He's right -- I never read the bible. I was brought up Roman Catholic ..... I am a recovering Catholic now...

Planoman and Backing Claims

7522 PM: Planoman [Quote] -- 10:04am -- Wed, Sep 13, 17 pst
Planoman
not my schtick, you made the claim, back it up........remember?

Planoman and Credit Scores

Planoman:  No, bankruptcies DAMAGE credit scores.

Catching Planoman in a lie is like shooting fish in a barrel. *S*

First, here's his lie:

1927   PM:   Planoman   [Quote]     -- 1:15pm -- Tue, Dec 5, 17 pst
Planoman
 . . . bankruptcy's always help the credit score

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Now for the truth . . .

"There is no way to underestimate the impact a bankruptcy has on your credit. It is one of the worst things you can do to your scores. The exact effects will vary, but according to major credit scoring model FICO, bankruptcy can make your a good credit score (think 700 or above) to plummet by 200 points or more. Meanwhile, a less stellar credit score of 680 will drop about between 130 and 150 points."
https://www.credit.com/credit-scores/3-things-bankruptcy-does-to-your-credit-score/

CaG Is a Coward - According to Misty

257 PM: Mrsdeluxe -- Mon, Jul 1 4:38am PST -----

Mrsdeluxe

LOL - cowards put people in ignore and then talk about them.

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You mean like this?



1815 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 12:58pm -- Tue, Dec 5, 17 pst

Ever since I put Dosset in ignore he has seemed obsessed with me.

Comey and the DNC Server

1322  PM:  Planoman [Quote]    -- 11:38am  -- Tue, Dec 5, 17 pst

. . .   since you brought up congressional hearings, I suggest you read up on James Comey's testimony before congress



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We did. Comey didn't say the FBI had requested access to the DNC server.



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1703/20/cnr.07.html



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/03/20/full-transcript-fbi-director-james-comey-testifies-on-russian-interference-in-2016-election/?utm_term=.2cd31d5227c8

Vamp, Australia, and Mass Killings

9580 PM: Vamp [Quote] -- 6:55am -- Tue, Dec 5, 17 pst
Vamp
Australia still has mass killings.

Manafort Violates Bail

Try to imagine Hillary's campaign chair being indicted on TWELVE FELONY COUNTS; and then consorting with Russian intelligence operatives while out on bail.

Dan Rather Speaks Out on Trumpism

When the time comes, and I hope it comes soon, to bury this era of moral rot and the defiling of our communal, social, and democratic norms, the perfect epitaph for the gravestone of this age of unreason should be Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley’s already infamous quote:



“I think not having the estate tax recognizes the people that are investing… as opposed to those that are just spending every darn penny they have, whether it’s on booze or women or movies.”



Grassley’s vision of America, quite frankly, is one I do not recognize. I thought the heart of this great nation was not limited to the ranks of the plutocrats who are whisked through life in chauffeured

cars and private jets, whose often inherited riches are passed along to children, many of whom no sacrifice or service is asked. I do not begrudge wealth, but it must come with a humility that money never is completely free of luck. And more importantly, wealth can never be a measure of worth.



I have seen the waitress working the overnight shift at a diner to give her children a better life, and yes maybe even take them to a movie once in awhile – and in her, I see America.



I have seen the public school teachers spending extra time with students who need help and who get no extra pay for their efforts, and in them I see America. I have seen parents sitting around kitchen tables with stacks of pressing bills and wondering if they can afford a Christmas gift for their children, and in them I see America.



I have seen the young diplomat in a distant foreign capital and the young soldier in a battlefield foxhole, and in them I see America.



I have seen the brilliant graduates of the best law schools who forgo the riches of a corporate firm for the often thankless slog of a district attorney or public defender’s office, and in them I see

America.



I have seen the librarian reshelving books, the firefighter, police officer, and paramedic in service in trying times, the social worker helping the elderly and infirm, the youth sports coaches, the PTA

 presidents, and in them I see America.



I have seen the immigrants working a cash register at a gas station or trimming hedges in the frost of an early fall morning, or

driving a cab through rush hour traffic to make better lives for their families, and in them I see America.



I have seen the science students unlocking the mysteries of life late at night in university laboratories for little or no pay, and in them I see America.



I have seen the families struggling with a cancer diagnosis or dementia in a parent or spouse. Amid the struggles of mortality and dignity, in them I see America.



These, and so many other Americans  have every bit as much claim to a government working for them as the lobbyists and moneyed classes. And yet, the power brokers in Washington today seem deaf to these voices. It is a national disgrace of historic proportions. And finally, what is so wrong about those who must worry about the cost of a drink with friends, or a date, or a little entertainment, to rephrase Senator Grassley’s demeaning phrasings? Those who can’t afford not to worry about food, shelter, healthcare, education for their children, and all the other costs of modern life, surely they too deserve to be able to spend some of their “darn pennies” on the simple joys of life.



Never mind that almost every reputable economist has called this tax bill a sham of handouts for the rich at the expense of the vast majority of Americans and the future economic health of this nation.



Never mind that it is filled with loopholes written by lobbyists. Never mind that the wealthiest already speak with the loudest voices in Washington, and always have. Grassley’s comments open a window to the soul of the current national Republican Party and it it is not pretty. This is not a view of America that I think President Ronald Reagan let alone President Dwight Eisenhower or Teddy Roosevelt would have recognized. This is unadulterated cynicism and a version of top-down class warfare run amok.



As usual, Dan Rather hits the nail on the head, bringing an unparalleled level of expertise and experience to the discourse. Hopefully, his vision of America is one we return to soon. The country can’t survive much more of Trump’s kleptocratic rule.

Flanagan v Ford

I remember one year -- back when they printed voting results BY PRECINCT.....

We opened the paper and anxiously looked for OUR precinct and particularly in the primary for Harold Ford's seat.

There were exactly TWO votes cast for Mark Flanagan.

My wife and I high-fived! Those two votes were OURS! *S*

6697   PM:   Elpincheviejo   [Quote]     -- 2:57pm -- Mon, Dec 4, 17 pst

Life's Complicated, You Reductive Fucking Shitbirds!
The entire culture and our politics are now dominated by people who have weaponized bad faith and shamelessness. SAD.

The Noose Tightens

As the noose tightens on Trump, we'll see more and more right winger fixation on personal attacks.

They stopped addressing real issues and facts years ago.

But as the situation worsens for Trump now, they will grow angrier and angrier.

Watch for the personal attacks to escalate.

Planoman and the ACA

6483 PM: Planoman [Quote] -- 2:01pm -- Mon, Dec 4, 17 pst
Planoman
Insurance cannot independently set their own rates, they have to go
before the state.............. 



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He's catching on. It was the STATES and not Obama who let the insurance companies gouge their policy holders!

Sarah Huckabee Sanders on Attacking the FBI

Guess who said, "When you're attacking FBI agents because you're under criminal investigation, you're  losing."



https://twitter.com/sarahhuckabee/status/794255968448020480?lang=en

Denial by the Right Wingers

From the right wingers we're going to
see recipes galore --- tips on gardening --- home improvements --
furniture finishing -- flower arranging --- gun and ammo hints --- how
to properly fold socks, etc......

ANYTHING but a discussion of Trump's Russia problem.

Russiagate? -- Watergate?

Soon Trump will be wandering the
White House halls, clutching a bottle of Johnny Walker, cursing
portraits of past presidents.

Watergate: “When the president does it, that means it is not illegal.”

Russiagate: ''[T]he president ''cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer.''''

TJBob - Hypocrisy

3066 PM: Tejanobob [Quote] -- 5:57pm -- Sun, Dec 3, 17 pst
Tejano Bob
The satisfying thing for me, as time goes on, will be coming into BTP and seeing the wailing and gnashing of teeth by the few chatters in here who think they know everything, and that they 're smarter than all other chatters .
 

3110 PM: Tejanobob [Quote] -- 6:06pm -- Sun, Dec 3, 17 pst
Tejano Bob
I defended Bill Clinton way back. I've probably read more books and reports on the Clintons, both pro and con, than anybody in this room .

Johnson Admits He's a Republican

MwJohnson finally admits to being a republican.

2371 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 3:23pm -- Sun, Dec 3, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
GOOM.....We, as Republicans, should do better.

Who Told Trump Flynn Lied?

Trump says he fired Flynn for lying to the FBI.

Who told Trump Flynn had been lying to the FBI?

Why Get Rid of the ACA? Because It's Successful

Even a lying moron fucks up and tells the truth now and then.



1531  PM:  Roosercogburn   [Quote]  - - 10:19am  - - Sun, Dec 3, 17 pst
Roostercogburn
that is exactly why they are getting rid of it . . . 

[ quoted: Doss - Celeste Obamacare has been a huge success for our nation ]

Celeste and Public Policy

Celeste: ''My political views are the opposite of yours.''

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Yes, I know.

You believe it's proper to STOP eligible voters from casting their ballots.

You believe it's proper to CUT people off their insurance.

You believe it's proper for Trump to put a foreign agent in charge of our national security.

You believe it's proper to allow manufacturers to dump carcinogens in our drinking water.

You believe it's proper to hike taxes on the poor in order to pay for a tax cut for the wealthy.

We know all of that.

What we DON'T know -- because you refuse to say - is WHY you believe those things.  

Johnson Accidentally Told the Truth

Now and then, even Johnson screws up and tells the truth. Yes, all the wingers ''did was whine about Obama.''

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7296 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 9:51am -- Sat, Dec 2, 17 pst
Mwjohnson
I suppose the melodrama of the left is due. All we did was whine about Obama.

27, Parpus, and Homosexuality

2718 PM: Prapius -- Mon, Sep 21 2:57pm PST -----
Only a faggot would call another man a faggot.

6016   PM:   27   [Quote]     -- 4:01am -- Sat, Dec 2, 17 pst
27
And yes Doss is a faggot

Trump Recruited by KGB

 ''The top level of the Soviet
diplomatic service arranged his [Trump's] 1987 Moscow visit. With
assistance from the KGB. It took place while Kryuchkov was seeking to
improve the KGB's operational techniques in one particular and sensitive
area. The spy chief wanted KGB staff abroad to recruit more
Americans.''



https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842



The KGB developed a personality
questionnaire for case officers to use in assessing a target's
suitability for recruiting as an asset.

Among other questions
the KGB posed: ''Are pride, arrogance, egoism, ambition or vanity among
subject’s natural characteristics?”

Remember, the KGB facilitated Trump's first visit to Moscow in the 1980's; and they were looking for a narcissist.  



''When
did the KGB open a file on Donald Trump? . . . Eastern Bloc security
service records suggest this may have been as early as 1977. That was
the year when Trump married Ivana Zelnickova, a twenty-eight-year-old
model from Czechoslovakia. Zelnickova was a citizen of a communist
country. She was therefore of interest both to the Czech intelligence
service, the StB, and to the FBI and CIA.''

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CaG's Defense of Flynn

3488 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 11:02am -- Fri, Dec 1, 17 pst
Christians are Good
Even if the indictments are themselves tangential to his charter.

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Defense Counselor CaG:  "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury. SURE my client murdered that man; but the cops were investigating a BURGLARY! So you MUST acquit!"