Wednesday, January 31, 2018

Melania's Convention Speech

Some recognized the lines from when  Michelle Obama uttered them 8 year earlier. Asked about it, she told NBC's Matt Lauer on camera that she wrote it herself.




"Shortly before a storm of plagiarism
accusations, Melania Trump told NBC News that she crafted most of her
Republican National Convention speech with little assistance from
campaign staff.





“I read once
over it and that’s all, because I wrote it, and with as little help as
possible,” the would-be first lady,  accompanied by her husband, told
NBC anchor Matt Lauer in an interview on Donald Trump’s private jet
shortly before her speech Monday night."



https://tinyurl.com/hpcczr4


Market Rise

Current Market Rise began in 2009






CaG Demands Answers to His Questions

Oh, the irony.  CaG almost |ALWAYS| evades my questions. *S*



5107   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 1:07pm -- Wed, Jan 31, 18 pst

Christians are Good

Can you not evade answering?



I absolutely |PROMISE| CaG will see THIS one again. *S*

4055   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 11:38am -- Mon, Mar 26, 18 pst
Christians are Good
The question was raised to see whether you could or would answer it. You probably could answer it, but you wouldn't. The reason for the question was to expose your hypocrisy . . . And that of course is the reason you would not answer. In doing so you confirmed the obvious.

CaG and Arrogance

I couldn't make up this shit.



5057 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 8:09am -- Thu, Feb 25, 16 pst

Christians are Good

. . . I have found that stupid people are most likely to be arrogant.



5016 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 12:56pm -- Wed, Jan 31, 18 pst

Christians are Good

I am superior to you in just about every way possible.



8564 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 6:31am -- Fri, Mar 2, 18 pst

Christians are Good

You are just too stupid to understand economics. 



6125 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 12:06pm -- Thu, Mar 22, 18 pst
Christians are Good
Cowpucky, Go clean a urinal.

6127   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 12:07pm -- Thu, Mar 22, 18 pst
Christians are Good
What an arrogant little prick.





____________________________________







865   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 11:52am -- Thu, Feb 8, 18 pst

Christians are Good

A little humility can go a long way.



You mean like this?



5016 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 12:56pm -- Wed, Jan 31, 18 pst
Christians are Good
I am superior to you in just about every way possible. 

Moment of Honesty for CaG

Even a lying chickenshit fucks up and tells the truth now and then.



4957   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 12:47pm -- Wed, Jan 31, 18 pst

Christians are Good

And it is much, much easier to attack Obama.

Planoman Lies Again

Here Planoman lies:



4893   PM:   Planoman   [Quote]     -- 12:39pm -- Wed, Jan 31, 18 pst

Planoman

Judas.....Obama said a family of 4 will save $2500....a lie  Obama said You can keep your doctor...........another lie......... 



And here:

4923 PM: Planoman [Quote] -- 12:43pm -- Wed, Jan 31, 18 pst
Planoman
When it came to health care premiums for the typical family, Obama said
he would cut the annual cost by $2,500  




Then Planoman screwed up and accidentally told the truth. Notice the 2nd time around, he forgot to edit out the "by up to" part:



4973   PM:   Planoman   [Quote]     -- 12:49pm -- Wed, Jan 31, 18 pst



Planoman

We’ll lower premiums |by up to| $2,500 for a typical family per year… [Emphasis added]

Rightwingers Are FINE with Russia Collusion

4282   PM:   Celeste   [Quote]     -- 10:59am -- Wed, Jan 31, 18 pst
Celeste
Doss: So put your little pussy hat on and bother someone who cares. I don't.

[ quoted: Doss - Celeste Calling me motherfucker doesnt negate the significance of the early FELONY CONVICTIONS obtained by Mueller nor does it negate the fact that the convictions PROVE collusion between Trumps team and the Russians.All the cursing handwringing sta ]

Fact Checking Trump's SOU Address



We knew he was lying; but they were coming so fast, it was hard to catalog them. So I went to the fact-checkers. Here's what they found:



Trump bragged of new jobs, but didn't tell the truth of the matter --- jobs growth is DOWN since he took office.



Trump bragged of black unemployment being down; but he didn't tell the truth of the matter --- black unemployment has been going down EVER SINCE PRESIDENT OBAMA saved our nation from Bush's Great Recession.



Trump bragged of rising wages, but he didn't tell the truth. The truth is wages are rising SLOWER than they did during the last part of President Obama's tenure.



Trump bragged of expanding auto manufacturing in the US; but he didn't tell the truth -- there has been ZERO surge in employment in the auto manufacturing industry under Trump's tenure.





Trump claimed Chrysler is moving a plant from Mexico to the US; he lied. The plant isn't moving at all.



Trump bragged of a surge in the stock market, but he didn't tell the truth. The truth is, it surged EVEN MORE under President Obama's stewardship!



Trump bragged that the disreputable tax cut he signed is the largest in US history. He lied. It's the 12th largest.



The same fact-checkers listed NO falsehoods on the part of Joe Kennedy who delivered the Democratic response to Trump's lie-fest.



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/us/politics/fact-check-sotu.html






Tuesday, January 30, 2018

Doss Predicts Right Winger Craziness



1800   PM:   Doss   [Quote]     -- 8:12pm -- Tue, Jan 30, 18 pst


doss - - - - - ''Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.''
Mark my words.

This presidency is on a collision course with disaster.

Trump/Putin supporters in this chat room are going to get crazier and CRAZIER.

Watch, and you will see I'm telling you the truth.

Celeste Goes Personal

They can't help it. They ALWAYS wind up going personal. *S*

1742 PM: Celeste [Quote] -- 8:00pm -- Tue, Jan 30, 18 pst
Celeste
Doss: Ew....you're an old wrinkly guy who is follically challenged. You have to pee at every rest room you pass by and even your wife can't stand the sight of you.

Doss and Spanish Speaking Sales Ladies

1720   PM:   Celeste   [Quote]     -- 7:56pm -- Tue, Jan 30, 18 pst
Celeste
Doss: When you're in a store and trying to get help and the two salesgirls start speaking to each other about you in another language, how do you feel?



________________________



Usually I like it. They gush over me
and boast to each other about which one of them is going to snatch me
away and take me home with her.

Charles and Civics

Someone should explain to Charles that the Executive is just ONE branch of the federal government.



Putin probably looked at posts like this and told his aides, ''Tricking Americans will be easy. Look. They are MORONS.''



__________________________



224 PM: Charles [Quote] -- 2:43pm -- Tue, Jan 30, 18 pst

Charles Illigitimi Non Carborundum

I'd suggest that if you're a federal employee, and trump is the chief executive of the federal government, you probably do work for trump.



_____________________________



Like the Nunes propaganda piece?

255   PM:   Charles   [Quote]     -- 2:47pm -- Tue, Jan 30, 18 pst
Charles Illigitimi Non Carborundum
I'm skeptical of anything that originates with the government. 

Pale and Cherry Picking

147   PM:   Palerider   [Quote]     -- 2:29pm -- Tue, Jan 30, 18 pst

Palerider

Pinchez did it occur to you that cherry picked means pertinent?

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  • Trump Turns GOP Into a Conspiracy of Dunces

     Great piece by GOPPER, Rick Wilson:




    "The Republican Party’s head-first dive into breathless conspiratorial
    fantasies in defense of Donald Trump is a brand-defining moment as the
    Party of Lincoln morphs into the Party of LaRouche. Listening as members
    of Congress, the Fox News/talk-radio world and the constellation of
    batshit-crazy people drawn to Esoteric Trumpism adopt increasingly
    baroque theories to protect The Donald isn’t just depressing; it’s
    tragic. A diseased slurry of fake news, post-Truth Trumpism, and Russkie
    agitprop infects the Republican Party. It’s an ebola of wild-eyed
    MK-ULTRA paranoiac raving, spreading to every organ of the Republican
    body politic."



    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-gop-a-conspiracy-of-dunces?source=twitter&via=desktop

    Trump Should be Held Accountable for Russian Hacking

    8836   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 10:59am -- Tue, Jan 30, 18 pst
    Christians are Good
    Trump is accountable for the actions of a foreign power?



    _________________________



    Yes, Trump invited Russia to commit felonies against the US by hacking into Hillary's emails. Of course, he should be held accountable. Who would argue he shouldn't?

    Nazi and Proud of It

    8385   PM:   Roostercogburn   [Quote]     -- 10:00am -- Tue, Jan 30, 18 pst
    Roostercogburn
    sieg heil

    Why Did Papadopoulos and Flynn Lie?

    Stop and think about it this way.



    Why does ANYBODY lie?



    The simple answer is --- ''Because they want to conceal the truth.''



    OK?



    Then what truth were Flynn and Papadopoulos concealing?



    Trump team illicit contacts with Russians?



    Exactly.



    Every time Trump claims ''No Collusion,'' he is committing an impeachable offense, according to right wing HERO, Kenny Starr --- ''absolutely,'' says Starr. From The Hill:




    "Former special counsel Ken Starr said on Sunday that there could be grounds for impeachment if President Trump was lying when he denied reports that he tried to fire special counsel Robert Mueller.



    "I think lying to the American people is a serious issue that has to be explored. I take lying to the American people very, very seriously, so absolutely," Starr told ABC's "This Week," when asked if Trump lying about the report would be grounds for impeachment."



    http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/371095-starr-grounds-for-impeachment-if-trump-lied-about-trying-to-fire

    Trump and Black Unemployment

    Trump claims HIS policies have led to a remarkable decline in black unemployment in the US. But what is the truth of the matter?  Let's turn to USDOL data to see.








    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg2sryWctB4Fg6tkqFi-_XueCrmx7ZCBnE45iJlP3dGDJ6eNeI04fgK4B3uOt8EuGjbgZDQa3iW-Iyda24Sw5ScHcp7RqDiK0aZCmh1IFLHLI5xBxJs3QzerwtQyk1R0bXZJYkQgsv59V0/s1600/unemployment-blacks.JPG

    Monday, January 29, 2018

    Razor, Satan, and Demonizing

    6535 PM: Razor [Quote] -- 7:20pm -- Mon, Jan 29, 18 pst
    Razor
    hes not just mean jajski hes downright evil hes the personification of satan . . . . .

    Sunday, January 28, 2018

    Planned Parenthood - and Abortion

    "When all services are counted equally, abortion procedures do account for 3 percent of Planned Parenthood’s total services."



    https://tinyurl.com/ybd8uz6y

    Pale's Misogyny

    Dig it --- I think maybe we've got us a misogynist, folks.



    1884   PM:   Palerider   [Quote]     -- 4:48pm -- Sun, Jan 28, 18 pst

    Palerider

    Archaeopat nada. “Women’s health issues” is a propaganda term . . .

    Saturday, January 27, 2018

    Trump Can't Be Trusted

    It's most likely not lost on our Trump
    lover friends -- he promised on Wednesday to testify under oath; then
    he reneged on Thursday.

    The whole world saw it.

    The man cannot be trusted.

    His word is worthless.

    Friday, January 26, 2018

    Misty, Proof, and Lying

    2489 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 5:51am -- Fri, Jan 26, 18 pst

    Mistysea

    When they ask for proof... they are admitting they lost the debate.



    __________________________________



    You mean like this?



    367 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 7:43am -- Thu, Dec 10, 15 pst

    Mistysea

    Dodge much? You made a statement... now get some proof or admit you lied.

    Misty Says "Lying Is Fine"




    171 PM: Mistysea -- Wed, Dec 25 7:59am PST ----- 


    MistySea 


    Any lying is fine if it gets liberals out of office. 

    Thursday, January 25, 2018

    CaG, FBI, and Bias

    That's what WE'D like to know.

    How exactly has Mueller's team been compromised by the fact that some of them regard Trump as a low-life scum-bag?

    387 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 2:58pm -- Thu, Jan 25, 18 pst
    Christians are Good
    Their personal opinions swayed their investigation how, exactly?

    Trump Pleads Fifth

    From Huffington Post:



    ''Trump Pleaded The Fifth 97 Times To Avoid Admitting To Adultery''



    "As
    part of the couple’s divorce proceedings, Ivana Trump’s lawyers asked
    him under oath about his dealings with other women and whether he had
    been faithful to his wife.








    Instead
    of answering, Donald Trump invoked his Fifth Amendment rights against
    self-incrimination. Over the course of five depositions that summer, he
    was asked approximately 100 questions related to marital infidelity. He
    pleaded the Fifth on 97 of them."





    https://tinyurl.com/ybhqktwg

    Statements of Offense

    Papadopoulos Statement of the Offense



    "Defendant PAPADOPOULOS claimed he met a certain female Russian national before he joined the Campaign and that their communications consisted of emails such as, '" Hi , how are you?"'



    In truth and in fact, however, defendant PAPADOPOULOS met the female Russian national on or about March 24 , 2016 , after he had become an adviser to the Campaign; he believed that she had connections to Russian government officials; and he sought to use her Russian connections over a period of months in an effort to arrange a meeting between the Campaign and Russian government officials."



    https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download



    _______________________________________________





    Flynn Statement of the Offense 



    "On or about January 24, 2017, FLYNN agreed to be interviewed by agent from the FBI ("January 24 voluntary interview"). During the interview,FLYNN falsely stated that he did not ask Russia's Ambassador to the United States ("Russian Ambassador") to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia. FLYNN also falsely stated that he did not remember a follow-up conversation in which the Russian Ambassador stated that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of FLYNN's request."



    https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download






    Wednesday, January 24, 2018

    Dwight and the KKK

    7109   PM:   Dwightvol   [Quote]       7:54pm -- Sat, Dec 29, 12 PST   [iggy]

    Dwightvol

    Jake and I have actually met at district klan meetings.



    974 PM: Dwightvol [Quote] -- 6:58pm -- Wed, Feb 10, 16 pst

    Dwightvol

    Jake is still alive and well. [ ] I saw him at the Klan Kristmas Party last December.

       

    9005   PM:   Dwightvol   [Quote]     -- 3:50pm -- Mon, May 28, 18 pst

    Dwightvolk....TO LIVE AND DIE IN DIXIE

     . . .  I said that I met another chatter at a Klan rally.



    ________________



    5671   PM:   Rockytop   [Quote]     -- 5:35pm -- Tue, Jun 11, 19 pst

    Rockytop

    Someone suggested that a chatter named Jake was a racist and I sarcastically responded that I had met him at a Klan meeting...



    _____



    In December, 2012, Dwight told us he met Jake at KKK ''meetings.'' (pl)



    In Feb. 2016, Dwight told us he met Jake at a KKK party just two months earlier.



    In May, 2018, Dwight admitted he'd told us that he'd attended ''a Klan rally.'' 



    These posts from Dwight span from December of 2012 through May of 2018.  The last KKK function  Dwight  confirmed he attended was December of 2015 (which he admitted in February, 2016).

    ____



    Maya Angelou
    @DrMayaAngelou
    ·
    Jun 12, 2015
    ''When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.'' -- #MayaAngelou



    Republican Senator Says US Run by "Idiots"

    Even some republicans are willing to admit that Trump, Ryan, and McConnell appear to be idiots.

    “Our country was founded by geniuses, but it’s being run by idiots.'' - Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA)

    Hard Time for Trump?

    Mueller is closing in; and the WH is in a panic. They KNOW Trump can't go for 5 minutes without telling a whopper.


    And in a 2 hour interview with Mueller, that could mean 24 lies.
    Considering each lie can nab him FIVE YEARS in the PEN, that comes out
    to 120 YEARS in the big house!

    Tuesday, January 23, 2018

    CaG Conemns Name-calling

    1275   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 2:33pm -- Tue, Jan 23, 18 pst

    Christians are Good

    This is all the left seems to have these days, call someone a name, declare them null and void, and run off.



    __________________________________



    4301   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 11:05am -- Wed, Jan 31, 18 pst
    Christians are Good
    Rather than always playing the obnoxious fool, why don't you try posting something positive? 

    FBI Bias?

    1152   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 2:09pm -- Tue, Jan 23, 18 pst
    Christians are Good
    I don't believe the FBI is biased. I don't know anyone who does.



    ____________

    "And we have seen recently how we have had some people in the FBI that had bias against the president." - Rand Paul

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/01/07/rand_paul_fbi_bias_against_trump_shws_why_we_need_fisa_reform.html




    "Donald Trump accuses FBI deputy director of Hillary Clinton bias" 



     



     


    Flynn Conviction to be Overturned Says CaG

    715   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 1:04pm -- Tue, Jan 23, 18 pst
    Christians are Good
    Flynn's indictment from top to bottom reeks of injustice. Politically it isn't time for him to come forward and challenge it yet. But in due time as events unfold I would expect he would, and further I expect to see the plea deal (a horrible outcome for Flynn) to be overturned.

    Useful Idiots (And Russian Bots) Vs. The FBI

    Useful Idiots (And Russian Bots) Vs. The FBI

    Nothing is more fashionable these days on the Republican right than to trash America's law enforcement and intelligence services. Legislators like Rep. Steve King (R-IA) and Francis Rooney (R-FL) broadcast accusations about "major corruption" within the Federal Bureau of Investigation and demand a "purge." Tom Fitton, who runs the right-wing legal outfit known as Judicial Watch,…

    Monday, January 22, 2018

    Guera's "Pax"

    4002   PM:   Sunnybelle   [Quote]     -- 3:36pm -- Fri, Jun 22, 18 pst

    Sunnybelle
    very well put. There are a few exceptions...but the haters are outrageous.


    1858 PM: Guera [Quote] -- 9:30pm -- Tue, Jun 3, 14 pst

    Cor Unum

    I truly hate you all..

    Celeste on Ignoring Law Breaking

    7892   PM:   Celeste   [Quote]     -- 7:32pm -- Mon, Jan 22, 18 pst
    Celeste
    Wanting to see our laws enforced does not make anyone a lunatic. Turning your back while people break the law is lunacy.

    __________________



    Yet you want to END the Mueller investigation into Trump money laundering, obstruction of justice, espionage, and conspiracy.

    Please explain.

    Release the Memo

    Planoman claimed that the memo came up for a vote on Thursday, which was the 18th.

    6353   PM:   Planoman   [Quote]     -- 1:47pm -- Mon, Jan 22, 18 pst
    Planoman
    The viewing of the memo came after all Republican members of the House intelligence committee, whose investigators compiled the classified memo, voted Thursday to make it available to all House members. Every Democrat on the committee voted against it.

    __________________________________


    Yet, an article from Politico updated on 1/20/2018, says it has NOT been put up for a vote. Planoman, how can the Democrats vote "no" in a vote that hasn't been held?



    "Nunes hasn’t indicated whether he’ll call for a vote . . . ." (As of January 20, 2018 --- the day AFTER the Thursday Planoman claims there WAS a vote.



    This isn't looking good for Planoman's veracity.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/19/house-republicans-clash-release-the-memo-351132

    The Coming Trump Slump

    "Trump's tumultuous presidency is damaging the U.S. economy."



    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2017-09-22/donald-trumps-presidency-is-hurting-american-business-and-economic-growth



    ________________________



    Comment on January 24, 2018:  Jobs growth is down, tourism is down, world opinion of the US is down, factories and businesses are shutting down, workers are being laid off, dollar is down......



    So far, Trump has been claiming credit for President Obama's economic
    expansion.  But as the Trump Slump worsens, he will blame OBAMA.



    The Trump Slump is going to be a BAD one.

    ________________________



    So far, Trump has been claiming credit for President Obama's economic
    expansion.  But as the Trump Slump worsens, he will blame OBAMA.



    Comment added on March 18, 2021: 

    His enablers and apologists blame the pandemic for Trump’s
    recession. The fact, though, is that other countries treated the
    pandemic seriously, unlike Trump, who dismissed it; and then didn’t
    suffer the economic ruin Trump heaped on the US.

    According to a
    report in the Washington Post, based on data from the Federal Reserve,
    the US was in a manufacturing “recession for all of 2019.” 

    https://tinyurl.com/wdmv4hbr

    Even
    before that, US News & World Report ran a piece  in September, 2017
    about the looming “Trump Slump.”  That is, we SAW the Trump Recession
    coming LONG before the pandemic hit.

    It wasn’t the pandemic that
    wrecked our economy;  it was Trump’s mismanagement of the pandemic. We
    saw as early as September, 2017, that Trump’s policies were “damaging
    the fundamentals undergirding U.S. economic growth . . . [that he had]
    already degraded the nation's business and investment environment.”

    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2017-09-22/donald-trumps-presidency-is-hurting-american-business-and-economic-growth


     

    Veritas Hopes for America

    4738   PM:   Veritas   [Quote]     -- 7:45am -- Mon, Jan 22, 18 pst
    Half of all voters STRONGLY DISAPPROVE of Trump's handling of the presidency. - Button
    Doss, you'll love this - the ending especially...

    Episodes 632 and 633.

    It gives me hope for America.


    https://www.thisamericanlife.org/archive

    Sunday, January 21, 2018

    Abortion and Radical Extremism


    If you pay close attention you
    will notice that the ones who claim to be ''conservative'' are the same
    ones who want to empower the govt to force women to have babies or to
    STOP having sex.

    They're not conservatives; they're radical extremist misogynists.

    Trump on Govt Shutdown

    “Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top, and the President’s the leader, and he’s got to get everybody in a room, and he’s got to lead. And he doesn’t do that, he doesn’t like doing that, that’s not his strength. And that’s why you have this horrible situation going on in Washington. It’s a very, very bad thing and it’s very embarrassing worldwide.” - Donald J. Trump - 2013


    "Our country needs a good "shutdown"  . . .  to fix mess!" - Donald J. Trump - May, 2017

    Friday, January 19, 2018

    One for Imzadi

    3833   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 2:51pm -- Fri, Jan 19, 18 pst

    Truth, Justice and the American way!

    He thought R after a Congressman's name meant REPUBLICAN not Representative! That chatter is lost!



    6542   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 8:52am -- Sat, Jan 20, 18 pst
    You don't make law without the Presidents consent! MY GOODNESS!!! 

    Pantied Right Wingers



    Pantied Right Wingers



    What |IS| it with you rightwinger guys and your panties fetish?



    7257   PM:   27   [Quote]     -- 11:18am -- Sat, Jun 16, 18 pst

    27

     . . .  give us some Pantylines.  Creep



    1977 PM: Victor [Quote] -- 1:22pm -- Fri, Oct 1, 10 pst

    My panties are not in a wad.



    4545   PM:   Prapius   [Quote]     -- 5:37am -- Wed, Aug 26, 15 pst

    I'M WEARING THE DINO PANTIES



    9373   PM:   Vagne   [Quote]     -- 5:01pm -- Wed, Mar 4, 15 pst

    Vagne


    I don't let my panties get in a wad about this....they do what they do...



    5435   PM:   Dino   [Quote]     -- 9:05am -- Wed, Aug 26, 15 pst

    . . . And I love to look at other mens underwear.



    9869 PM: Dino --Sun, Mar 21 5:20am PST -----


    Dino


    No need to ask.....Prap and I are LOVERS!!!



    _____________________________________





    4280 PM: Guera [Quote] -- 7:29pm -- Wed, Nov 14, 18 pst
    Cor Unum
    now ya see...underwear is one topic I've never seen before in here.








     

    It's quite a popular topic with some of the right winger guys.

    1977 PM: Victor [Quote] -- 1:22pm -- Fri, Oct 1, 10 pst
    My panties are not in a wad.

    4545 PM: Prapius [Quote] -- 5:37am -- Wed, Aug 26, 15 pst
    I'M WEARING THE DINO PANTIES

    9373 PM: Vagne [Quote] -- 5:01pm -- Wed, Mar 4, 15 pst
    Vagne
    I don't let my panties get in a wad about this....they do what they do...

    5435 PM: Dino [Quote] -- 9:05am -- Wed, Aug 26, 15 pst
    . . . And I love to look at other mens underwear. 

    Trump Calls for Shutdown

    ''Our country needs a good ''shutdown'' . . . to fix mess!''

     


    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/859393829505552385

    Yes, Dosset in Speedos!

    You can believe parpus; or you can believe Jajski, Always4Him and Dutchie. It's up to you. *S*



    9182 PM: Dutchie [Quote] -- 8:32pm -- Sat, Jan 7, 12 PST

    Dutchie

    doss...you do look studly in those speedos.



    2846 PM: Jajski [Quote] -- 8:33am -- Thu, Feb 16, 12 PST

    Jajski

    ( quoted: Dutchie - and doss looks good in speedos. One of the few men who does. )

    he does.



    963   PM:   Grrllawyer   [Quote]     -- 1:50pm -- Mon, Nov 28, 11 pst

    Grrllawyer Ambassador from the Fairy Kingdom.

    I wanna stalk Doss and use him as a sex toy



    972   PM:   Always4him   [Quote]     -- 1:51pm -- Mon, Nov 28, 11 pst

    Always4Him

    Grrl.. esp. if he's wearing that speedo...*L*



    1033   PM:   Dutchie   [Quote]     -- 9:57am -- Mon, Nov 28, 11 pst

    Dutchie

    doss in his speedos........*sigh*



    1387     PM:     Jajski      -- Wed, Aug 2 8:16am pst

    Jajski

    I have seen dosset' speedo pix. he's a fine specimen of a man.



    1040   PM:   Jajski   [Quote]     -- 1:55pm -- Tue, Jan 23, 18 pst

    Jajski

    I have seen the speedo pic

    trust me, dosset IS hot in that pic 



    6210   PM:   Boomerlicious   [Quote]     -- 11:33am -- Mon, Mar 4, 19 pst
    Boomerlicious
    dosset... you are one heck of a good-looking muscle guy! 

    Book Him, Dano!

    Trump Five-O






    Thursday, January 18, 2018

    Global Approval of US Leadership

    How does the world view the US and its leadership now?






    Sunnybelle Says Trump is "POS"

    6357   PM:   Sunnybelle   [Quote]     -- 5:12am -- Thu, Jan 18, 18 pst

    Sunnybelle

    Dudley...sleeping around too, though he didn't seem to want to tell his wife about his infidelity. pos.

     __________________________________________________________



    9348 PM: Sunnybelle [Quote] -- 10:20am -- Sat, Mar 31, 18 pst
    Sunnybelle
    . . . . I can say here what I am actually thinking . . .

    You mean like when you called Trump a piece of shit? 

    Hillary Won the Mandate according to Dudley

    Finally, Dudley fesses up.

    6297   PM:   Dudley   [Quote]     -- 5:00am -- Thu, Jan 18, 18 pst
    Dudley
    Hillary won the mandate . . . .

    Wednesday, January 17, 2018

    Dino and Faggism

    2718 PM: Prapius -- Mon, Sep 21 2:57pm PST -----
    Only a faggot would call another man a faggot.


    You mean like this?



    4360   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 2:33pm -- Wed, Jan 17, 18 pst
    Shut up faggot!

    CaG Implodes

    3383   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 10:52am -- Wed, Jan 17, 18 pst

    Veritas is White and a Racist

    Documentation isn't a fact. It is a place to steal ideas and use them as your own. And because people like Natchez aren't education, they are unable to discriminate good ideas from ones that aren't. So they post anything and then document it as though citing the source validates the idea.



    3404   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 10:57am -- Wed, Jan 17, 18 pst

    Veritas is White and a Racist

    Then why cite a source?



    8151   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 12:22pm -- Thu, Jan 18, 18 pst
    List your sources. 



    9016 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 1:22pm -- Wed, Dec 20, 17 pst

    Christians are Good

    I will await your proof.

    Pale Hypocrisy

    A tactic you frequently employ when we have trouble deciphering your gibberish.



    3318   PM:   Palerider   [Quote]     -- 10:27am -- Wed, Jan 17, 18 pst

    Palerider

    CaG often the invective here is claiming an opponent is dumb



    4585 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 2:55pm -- Thu, Dec 31, 15 pst

    Palerider

    dosset I know you're dumb . . .

    __________________________________



    4142   PM:   Palerider   [Quote]     -- 10:39am -- Mon, Feb 12, 18 pst

    Palerider

    NamVet I’m not looking for respect, but you might scroll back and see who makes it

    personal.



    _______________



    You mean like this?



    4585 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 2:55pm -- Thu, Dec 31, 15 pst

    Palerider

    dosset I know you're dumb . . .

    Harvard - Media Bias - 2016 Election


    Harvard study documents anti-Clinton media bias


    "A new report by Harvard University’s Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society has conclusively documented what many of us have suspected, and what Hillary Clinton observes in her new book, What Happened: media coverage of the 2016 presidential campaign heavily favored Donald Trump. The researchers further concluded that not only are right-wing and mainstream media polarized politically, but they operate according to different ethical and journalistic standards."



    "The report, titled “Partisanship, Propaganda, & Disinformation:
    Online Media & the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election,” found that
    unethical journalistic practices driven by the desire to produce
    “clickbait,” coupled with the viral sharing power of social media,
    resulted in a proliferation of disinformation and propaganda that tipped
    the election in Donald Trump’s favor."



    http://www.womensmediacenter.com/news-features/harvard-study-documents-anti-clinton-media-bias



    Read the PDF here.

    CaG and Racism


    2822   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 8:22am -- Wed, Jan 17, 18 pst

    Christians are Good

    Veritas: You're white and a racist.

    _________________________________



    Then, 29 minutes later:



    2978   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 8:51am -- Wed, Jan 17, 18 pst

    Veritas is White and a Racist

    Racism has no meaning. As insults go, it is empty of content



    ___________________________________





    8447 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 8:39am -- Tue, Jan 16, 18 pst

    Christians are Good

    If you use a name to defame someone you ought demonstrate at the minimum you know what it means.

    ______________________________________________



    3039 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 9:04am -- Wed, Jan 17, 18 pst
    Veritas is White and a Racist
    Do you know what a racist is?

    __________________________


    Yes, do you? 

    Rhino - Glutton for Punishment

    1751 PM: Vamp [Quote] -- 3:24pm -- Mon, Oct 9, 17 pst
    Vamp
    Rhino you are a glutton for punishment... I think it’s wrong

    Christian Charity

    2632   PM:   Celeste   [Quote]     -- 7:51am -- Wed, Jan 17, 18 pst
    Celeste
    My Parish is hosting the men's homeless shelter for the next two weeks. They asked me to help out. I'll do anything but that so nope.



    2642   PM:   Rhino   [Quote]     -- 7:53am -- Wed, Jan 17, 18 pst
    It is really Cold
    Celeste: I told my wife.. fuck em.. if they want to be homeless.. let them sleep on the street in 18 degree weather.. they all can die

    Parpus and the Potato





    Story I heard about parpus. He was having trouble getting a date so he went to Dino and Toy for advice.





    ''Put a potato down your pants,'' they said. ''The guys will LOVE that.''




    Next day parpus showed up broken hearted, whining, ''It didn't work.''





    Toy and Dino cry, ''You DUMBASS! You're supposed to put the potato down the FRONT of your pants!''



    ___________________________________________




    Story I heard about Dino. He was having trouble getting a date so he went to parpus and Toy for advice.

    ''Put a potato down your pants,'' they said. ''The guys will LOVE that.''

    Next day dino showed up broken hearted, whining, ''It didn't work.''

    Toy and parpus cry, ''You DUMBASS! You're supposed to put the potato down the FRONT of your pants!''

    Tuesday, January 16, 2018

    CaG Invites Others to Refute His Claims

    8452   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 8:39am -- Tue, Jan 16, 18 pst

    Christians are Good

    It is wish to refute any part of what I wrote go ahead.

    Misty -Stupid Chat Tricks

    8005 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 6:57am -- Tue, Jan 16, 18 pst

    Mistysea

    Hope Hicks refused to carry out duties her boss requested of her.

    She's an Obama holdover... clearly against the best interests of America.

    Monday, January 15, 2018

    Who's Irrational?

    4349   PM:   Jajski   [Quote]     -- 8:16am -- Mon, Jan 15, 18 pst



    Jajski

    because the left is extremely irrational 

    Saturday, January 13, 2018

    Trump Thought Only Black People Were on Welfare





    President Donald Trump was apparently unaware that not all—in fact, the vast majority—of welfare beneficiaries are not black as recently as last March, according to a new report. In the spring of 2017, the newly elected president met with members of the Congressional Black Caucus. During that meeting, one of the members mentioned to Trump that…




    Friday, January 12, 2018

    Trump Lies Cataloged by Fact Checker

    Trump can't help but lie.


    Women's Rights? A "Subversive Movement"?


    4090   PM:   Palerider   [Quote]     -- 10:53am -- Fri, Jan 12, 18 pst

    Palerider

    The so called Pussy hats are just a goofy prop of the subversive movement

    known by a few names in the last decade.



    I asked Pale, "Do you think it was subversive
    for women to demand the right to vote? What about women demanding equal
    pay for equal work? What about women demanding they NOT be sexually
    assaulted at work?"



    He won't answer me. 

    No, MLK Was Not a Republican

    Pulitzer Prize winner, Politifact, rules as FALSE the claim that MLK was a republican.


    "To check it out, we checked with King biographers, including Pulitzer Prize winner David Garrow, and found that King avoided partisan identification. "It's simply incorrect to call Dr. King a Republican," Garrow told PolitiFact Texas.

    We rated the claim False."

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/feb/01/no-martin-luther-king-was-not-republican/

    Wednesday, January 10, 2018

    CaG and Ridicule

    Like when I poke holes in your arguments. You neither understand nor accept; and you seek to ridicule me instead.



    4646   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 8:46am -- Wed, Jan 10, 18 pst

    Christians are Good

    Which is why discernment is necessary, versus judgement. The fool will neither understand nor accept, but rather will seek to ridicule or disavow.



    _____________________



    You mean like this?



     4452 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 7:28am -- Fri, Feb 9, 18 pst
    Christians are Good
    But then people like Arch aren't terribly bright.

    Parpus Is a Racist

    Racism anyone?

    4019 PM: Prapius [Quote] -- 6:36am -- Wed, Jan 10, 18 pst
    . . . IF BLACKS ARE SO SMART..WHY IS ALL OF AFRICA DUMB?

    Fusion GPS Testimonry Transcript

    Glenn Simpson Testimony before Senate Judiciary Committee - August 22, 2017 Washington, DC




    Tuesday, January 9, 2018

    Dino and Islam

    1604   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 3:48pm -- Tue, Jan 9, 18 pst

    Natch, since you aren't a Christian then you haven't a clue what a Christian has to follow.

    CaG the Kidder

    CaG is kidding us.



    2290 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 8:00am -- Tue, Jan 9, 18 pst

    Christians are Good

    Trump is truthful, more so than any recent politician.


    862   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 3:14pm -- Tue, Jun 26, 18 pst
    Christians are Good
    Trump is inarticulate, I agree. But that is also one quality people like about him. As for lying, I've yet to hear one. 

    Monday, January 8, 2018

    Bush's Recession Blamed on Clinton

    1052   PM:   Bob   [Quote]     -- 8:41pm -- Mon, Jan 8, 18 pst
    Banking Deregulation during the Clinton term lead directly to the Clinton World Wide Recession . . .

    Trump Said Obama Was a "Psycho!"

    "I am starting to think that there is something seriously wrong with President Obama's mental health . . . Psycho!"

    Donald Trump -- Oct. 16, 2014

    Sunday, January 7, 2018

    How's the Market?

    Just when you thought....








    MwJohnson Takes off the Gloves

    5750   PM:   Mwjohnson   [Quote]     -- 4:38pm -- Sun, Jan 7, 18 pst

    Mwjohnson

    There's now 5 guys in this chat who will be picking themselves off the floor, if we ever meet in person. No Hi, Hello, How are you.....just down they go. 

    No More Attacks on Islam

    4340 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 9:11am -- Sun, Jan 7, 18 pst
    Mistysea
    I have yet to understand why non-believers, bring up Christians when they are spouting . . .


    4453 PM: Raven [Quote] -- 9:50am -- Sun, Jan 7, 18 pst
    Criticizing one's faith when you do not share in that faith is rather moot.

    Saturday, January 6, 2018

    Lilleuk Tells It Like It Is

    1036   PM:   Lilleuk   [Quote]     -- 3:40pm -- Sat, Jan 6, 18 pst
    Lilleuk
    CAG .. as they call you ... nah, it does not need a mind reader or a specific knowledge of ''Americans'' ... I have worked in psychiatry for many many years, and does not take .. to paraphrase .. a ''genius'' to see what is happening.

    When a proven liar, who is actually tweeting things no sane person  would say, and then holding the highest office in the world and being a danger not just to Americans, but to the entire world ... italmost defies belief that people will still support such a freak of nature. The man is sick.

    then there can only be one reason that some people still support him .. fear .... not being able to admit that they were wrong ... too much invested emotions and energy defending him for a year. And wanting him SO much because what is the alternative for you? The woodman Pence? So you have no alternative but to support Trump

     Except if you were actually sitting up a little, taking off your blinkers, trying to read other news sources than the ones you so desperately cling to .. and trying to see what is really happening.

    It's almost all over. And you are clinging on for dear life to a madman who's not doing you any good whatsoever. And may cause WW3.

    Clinton Paid the Award Why?

    600   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 1:51pm -- Sat, Jan 6, 18 pst

    Christians are Good

    A good example. Rather than go to court, pay the fine. It happens every day. Rather than go through the cost and emotional burden of trial, plea to the charge.



    ______



    I asked him, "Are you suggesting that the two
    really are innocent, but pleaded guilty just to avoid the cost and
    burden of a trial? If that's not what you're suggesting, then what?"



    He won't say. 

    Dino, Proof, and Cowards

    7132 PM: Dino [Quote] -- 5:54am -- Mon, Nov 30, 15 pst
    . . .  you made an accusation about me but have yet to prove it. COWARD!

    Misty and Quotations

    8404   PM:   Mistysea   [Quote]     -- 7:23am -- Sat, Jan 6, 18 pst
    Mistysea
    You just quoted Kobach... when did you meet him?

    Friday, January 5, 2018

    Why the GOP Won't Impeach Trump

    The GOP has a wish list ----
    destroying Medicare and Social Security; more vote suppression; attacks
    on women's rights; stripping children of their health care; allowing
    polluters to poison our air and water.....

    Their BEST bet of getting it done is by having a total madman in the WH.

    That is one reason they refuse to hold Trump accountable. They're not done yet.

    CaG Lies about Gore

    CaG:  Did you think we'd not |CATCH| you lying about what Gore said?

    Here's your lie:

    4063   PM:   Christians   [Quote]     -- 8:16am -- Fri, Jan 5, 18 pst
    Christians are Good
    Algore: ''Global warming produces bitter cold.'' [Which you then attributed to "An official Algore twitter at 5:50 pm January 4, 2018."]

    I knew you were lying so I checked. Here's the TRUTH.

    Al Gore‏Verified account @algore: 'It’s bitter cold in parts of the US, but climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann explains that’s exactly what we should expect from the climate crisis.' - Jan. 4, 2018

    https://twitter.com/algore/status/949050335074582528

    Dudley's Ideas Match

    Dudley: Are you open to ideas that don't perfectly match your own? You're not a hypocrite; are you?

    3897   PM:   Dudley   [Quote]     -- 7:47am -- Fri, Jan 5, 18 pst
    Dudley
     . . .He is open to any idea, as long as it perfectly matches his own.

    Thursday, January 4, 2018

    Rhino Says Trump "Worst President in US History"

    Now and then, even Rhino fucks up and tells the truth. Yes, Trump WILL be remembered as the worst ever.

    9467 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 8:34am -- Thu, Jan 4, 18 pst
    Texas Strong
    Benden: unlike Obama.. he will be he worst president in US history

    Rhino and Hypocrisy

    9150 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 7:45am -- Thu, Jan 4, 18 pst
    Texas Strong

    Whipple: they think they are entitled.. look at doss.. sitting thar in
    Houston.. sticking it to his creditors.. by filing bankruptcy



    9182 PM: Rhino [Quote] -- 7:51am -- Thu, Jan 4, 18 pst
    Texas Strong
    Veritas: show me the proof.. cause.. you can't.. stop with the slander

    Rhino Demands Proof

    9182   PM:   Rhino   [Quote]     -- 7:51am -- Thu, Jan 4, 18 pst
    Texas Strong
    Veritas: show me the proof.. cause.. you can't.. stop with the slander



    9182   PM:   Rhino   [Quote]     -- 7:51am -- Thu, Jan 4, 18 pst
    Texas Strong
    Veritas: show me the proof.. cause.. you can't.. stop with the slander

    Dudley and Guilt by Association

    8774   PM:   Dudley   [Quote]     -- 6:15am -- Thu, Jan 4, 18 pst
    Dudley
    . . . This is guilt by association . . .

    You mean like this?

    8724   PM:   Dudley   [Quote]     -- 6:07am -- Thu, Jan 4, 18 pst
    Dudley
    Why did Hillary call Robert Sheets Byrd her mentor? Why did Clinton call Fulbright, who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Bill his mentor? Hypocrisy will kick in in the nuts every time dopey.

    Republicans Are Faking It?








    The Republicans’ Fake Investigations




    By GLENN R. SIMPSON and PETER FRITSCH

    JAN. 2, 2018



    (Originally appeared in NY TIMES New York Edition; pg A15.)



    https://tinyurl.com/y8y8end4


    A generation ago, Republicans sought to protect President Richard Nixon by urging the Senate Watergate committee to look at supposed wrongdoing by Democrats in previous elections. The committee chairman, Sam Ervin, a Democrat, said that would be “as foolish as the man who went bear hunting and stopped to chase rabbits.”


    Today, amid a growing criminal inquiry into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, congressional Republicans are again chasing rabbits. We know because we’re their favorite quarry.


    In the year since the publication of the so-called Steele dossier — the collection of intelligence reports we commissioned about Donald Trump’s ties to Russia — the president has repeatedly attacked us on Twitter. His allies in Congress have dug through our bank records and sought to tarnish our firm to punish us for highlighting his links to Russia. Conservative news outlets and even our former employer, The Wall Street Journal, have spun a succession of mendacious conspiracy theories about our motives and backers.


    We are happy to correct the record. In fact, we already have.


    Three congressional committees have heard over 21 hours of testimony from our firm, Fusion GPS. In those sessions, we toppled the far right’s conspiracy theories and explained how The Washington Free Beacon and the Clinton campaign — the Republican and Democratic funders of our Trump research — separately came to hire us in the first place.


    We walked investigators through our yearlong effort to decipher Mr. Trump’s complex business past, of which the Steele dossier is but one chapter. And we handed over our relevant bank records — while drawing the line at a fishing expedition for the records of companies we work for that have nothing to do with the Trump case.


    Republicans have refused to release full transcripts of our firm’s testimony, even as they selectively leak details to media outlets on the far right. It’s time to share what our company told investigators.


    We don’t believe the Steele dossier was the trigger for the F.B.I.’s investigation into Russian meddling. As we told the Senate Judiciary Committee in August, our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp.


    The intelligence committees have known for months that credible allegations of collusion between the Trump camp and Russia were pouring in from independent sources during the campaign. Yet lawmakers in the thrall of the president continue to wage a cynical campaign to portray us as the unwitting victims of Kremlin disinformation.


    We suggested investigators look into the bank records of Deutsche Bank and others that were funding Mr. Trump’s businesses. Congress appears uninterested in that tip: Reportedly, ours are the only bank records the House Intelligence Committee has subpoenaed.


    We told Congress that from Manhattan to Sunny Isles Beach, Fla., and from Toronto to Panama, we found widespread evidence that Mr. Trump and his organization had worked with a wide array of dubious Russians in arrangements that often raised questions about money laundering. Likewise, those deals don’t seem to interest Congress.


    We explained how, from our past journalistic work in Europe, we were deeply familiar with the political operative Paul Manafort’s coziness with Moscow and his financial ties to Russian oligarchs close to Vladimir Putin.


    Finally, we debunked the biggest canard being pushed by the president’s men — the notion that we somehow knew of the June 9, 2016, meeting in Trump Tower between some Russians and the Trump brain trust. We first learned of that meeting from news reports last year — and the committees know it. They also know that these Russians were unaware of the former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele’s work for us and were not sources for his reports.


    Yes, we hired Mr. Steele, a highly respected Russia expert. But we did so without informing him whom we were working for and gave him no specific marching orders beyond this basic question: Why did Mr. Trump repeatedly seek to do deals in a notoriously corrupt police state that most serious investors shun?


    What came back shocked us. Mr. Steele’s sources in Russia (who were not paid) reported on an extensive — and now confirmed — effort by the Kremlin to help elect Mr. Trump president. Mr. Steele saw this as a crime in progress and decided he needed to report it to the F.B.I.


    We did not discuss that decision with our clients, or anyone else. Instead, we deferred to Mr. Steele, a trusted friend and intelligence professional with a long history of working with law enforcement. We did not speak to the F.B.I. and haven’t since.


    After the election, Mr. Steele decided to share his intelligence with Senator John McCain via an emissary. We helped him do that. The goal was to alert the United States national security community to an attack on our country by a hostile foreign power. We did not, however, share the dossier with BuzzFeed, which to our dismay published it last January.


    We’re extremely proud of our work to highlight Mr. Trump’s Russia ties. To have done so is our right under the First Amendment.


    It is time to stop chasing rabbits. The public still has much to learn about a man with the most troubling business past of any United States president. Congress should release transcripts of our firm’s testimony, so that the American people can learn the truth about our work and most important, what happened to our democracy.


    Glenn R. Simpson and Peter Fritsch, both former journalists, are the founders of the research firm Fusion GPS.


    A version of this op-ed appears in print on January 3, 2018, on Page A15 of the New York edition with the headline: The Republicans' Fake Inquiry.

    Wednesday, January 3, 2018

    Dwight Predicts Trump's Exoneration

    6268   PM:   Dwightvol   [Quote]     -- 3:57pm -- Wed, Jan 3, 18 pst 

    Dwightvol

    . . . Sometime before the midterm election, I look for Mueller to exonerate President Trump.

    Trump Team no Unified Front




    Monday, January 1, 2018

    Dino Renounces New Testament

    9079   PM:   Raven   [Quote]     -- 12:15pm -- Mon, Jan 1, 18 pst  

    Didn't know Jesus was a middle man. 



    ____________________________________





    So much for the New Testament, eh?



    "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

    People Join Military for the Money








    In Weak Economy, College Grads 'Surge' Into Military




    4:37


    5:46 PM ET



    Michael Tomsic


    The weak economy is helping to drive thousands more college graduates into the U.S. military.


    Since the recession began in 2007, there's been a steady increase in the number of college graduates joining the armed forces. The Navy and Army have seen the biggest jumps. About 60 percent more college grads joined the Navy last year than in 2007.


    For some of them, it's a job some would never have imagined for themselves just a few years ago.


    Not 'What I Thought I'd Be Doing'


    Louis Lam fits that bill. He's your typical good college student. He's on the dean's list at the University of Maryland, where he studies electrical engineering. He's active in campus organizations. To save money, he lives at home. He even helps his mom make dinner.


    "Generally I would just get the dishes and stuff ready," Lam says as his mother drips sauce onto meat sizzling in a skillet.


    OK, maybe he's not helping with the actual cooking. Mom jokes there's a reason for that.


    "He's not very good," Mydung Lam laughs. But Lam is a great son, she says.




    When his parents Tuy (center) and Mydung (right) Lam lost their jobs, electrical engineering major Louis Lam enlisted in the Navy. Michael Tomsic/NPR hide caption


    toggle caption


    Michael Tomsic/NPR


    And that son's plans have changed drastically since he got to college.


    "What I thought that I'd be doing, going into college as an electrical engineer," Lam says, "I thought that I'd be working with gadgets, making robotic things, [tinkering with] groundbreaking technology."


    The idea of joining the military had never even crossed his mind, Lam says. But that was before both his parents lost their jobs. Unemployment benefits held them over for a while, but they ran out in April.


    "I was like, I really need to get this job as soon as possible," Lam says. "Otherwise, we might lose the house. We might have to sell some stuff."


    He saw his college friends struggling to find jobs or internships and says his family couldn't afford for him to go through that.


    Instead, he turned to the military. As the U.S. has struggled to recover from the worst recession since World War II, tens of thousands of other college students and graduates have made a similar choice.


    Bad Economy Drives Recruitment


    "When the economy worsens, as it has in recent years, we certainly see a surge in the number of young people who are highly qualified, who want to join the military," says Beth Asch, who researches military recruitment for the RAND Corp. It has studied U.S. military recruitment for more than 40 years.


    Asch says the surge in college graduates looks especially large this time around because of just how far the economy fell.


    "Since the mid-2000s, the unemployment rate has essentially doubled," she says. And since then, the Army and Navy have seen a more than 50 percent rise in recruits with college degrees, according to their latest numbers.


    Asch says college graduates make up a relatively small portion of total recruits. But as long as the economy stays weak, their numbers will go up.


    Part of the reason is that it always pays to have a job with Uncle Sam.


    "In order to sustain a volunteer force with high-quality people, the military finds it has to pay people more than they would get in the civilian world," Asch says.


    "That gap has actually increased in recent years, in part because of the continuing rise of military pay and partly because the economy has stagnated, and so civilian pay has stagnated as well."


    More People Than Positions


    At a naval-recruiting station near the University of Maryland, Lt. Mary Neal says it's almost easy right now for military recruiters.


    "We have more people coming than we have positions for," she says. "That's just how busy we are. It's sad when we actually have to tell them, 'Sorry, we've already met goal for this year.' "


    Neal says almost all the people being turned away have college degrees. She says the perks of a military job are especially appealing right now — good pay, free health care, a tax-free housing allowance and a pay raise every year.


    Another recruiter at Neal's station pitched all that to Louis Lam before his parents' unemployment benefits ran out. He signed up and is in for five years.


    Working On Ships From Home


    Lam says the recruiter also said he could stay close to home. He'll use his engineering background to work on nuclear reactors on submarines and ships, and he can do that from the D.C. area.


    While he finishes college this year, Lam says, the Navy will pay him about $50,000.


    "That specifically was very important to me because of our financial situation," he says. "I definitely wanted to say, 'Hey, is this what I'm going to be making? And if it is, then this is exactly what I need right now.' "


    Lam says the checks started coming a few months ago, and he's been spending most of them on his parents' mortgage and his student loans. For now, he's giving up the goal he had before he got to college: a career in the private sector with a big-name company.


    Lam says he's OK with that. There's a much better payout for helping his family and serving his country.




     






    https://tinyurl.com/yafac6ku