Q:
You know where this is going, though. Even in the period that you’ve
been on vacation in the last couple of weeks, in Iraq, in Syria, of
course, in Africa, al-Qaeda is resurgent.
THE PRESIDENT:
Yes, but, David, I think the analogy we use around here sometimes, and I
think is accurate, is if a JV team puts on Lakers uniforms, that
doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant. I think there is a distinction between
the capacity and reach of a bin Laden and a network that is actively
planning major terrorist plots against the homeland versus jihadists who
are engaged in various local power struggles and disputes, often
sectarian.
Q: But that JV team jus[t] took over Fallujah.
THE PRESIDENT: I understand. But when you say took over Fallujah –
Q: And I don’t know for how long.
THE PRESIDENT: But let’s just keep in mind, Fallujah is a profoundly
conservative Sunni city in a country that, independent of anything we
do, is deeply divided along sectarian lines. And how we think about
terrorism has to be defined and specific enough that it doesn’t lead us
to think that any horrible actions that take place around the world that
are motivated in part by an extremist Islamic ideology is a direct
threat to us or something that we have to wade into.
Saturday, February 28, 2015
Intellectual Dishonesty?
| 5552 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 10:36am -- Sat, Feb 28, 15 pst |
Attack? Hyperbole? Smear? More hyperbole? If you wish to talk to me don't be intellectually dishonest....
Friday, February 27, 2015
CaG Enjoys "Certain" Questions
| 3496 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 10:17pm -- Fri, Feb 27, 15 pst |
[ignored: -Imzadi-Namvet-Pandora-Saoirse]
I actually enjoy thoughtful questions. If forces me to think something out.
Out of Wedlock?
| 2518 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 7:29pm -- Fri, Feb 27, 15 pst |
So in your opinion the woman ought stand up for herself and satisfy her selfish interests and have a child out of wedlock....
Lost Emails?
Lost emails? Try 22 MILLIONS of them!
''As you'll recall, millions of Bush White House emails conveniently
went missing between 2003 and 2005, including those in the critical days
during which the administration formulated its response to Ambassador
Joe Wilson and his covert CIA operative wife, Valerie Plame. In July
2007, Darrell Issa accused Plame of perjury. Then, in February 2008,
Issa turned IT expert and brushed off the email imbroglio as merely a
software problem. ''
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/issa-blamed-ibm-software-loss-22-million
''As you'll recall, millions of Bush White House emails conveniently
went missing between 2003 and 2005, including those in the critical days
during which the administration formulated its response to Ambassador
Joe Wilson and his covert CIA operative wife, Valerie Plame. In July
2007, Darrell Issa accused Plame of perjury. Then, in February 2008,
Issa turned IT expert and brushed off the email imbroglio as merely a
software problem. ''
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/issa-blamed-ibm-software-loss-22-million
Pale Caught Lying Again
When Pale tells you what someone thinks or says, assume he's lying.
Here is an example of his dishonesty.
First, look at Grrl's statement.
8924 PM: Grrllawyer [Quote] -- 9:09am -- Fri, Feb 27, 15 pst
Grrllawyer
. . . actually Flynn's comments are expressions of his OPINION which IS partisan in nature [emphasis added]
Now here's Pale's straw man.
9012 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 9:22am -- Fri, Feb 27, 15 pst
Palerider
grrl lawyer so facts are partisan in your view [emphasis added]
Pale should be ashamed. But then, he seems incapable of shame.
Here is an example of his dishonesty.
First, look at Grrl's statement.
8924 PM: Grrllawyer [Quote] -- 9:09am -- Fri, Feb 27, 15 pst
Grrllawyer
. . . actually Flynn's comments are expressions of his OPINION which IS partisan in nature [emphasis added]
Now here's Pale's straw man.
9012 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 9:22am -- Fri, Feb 27, 15 pst
Palerider
grrl lawyer so facts are partisan in your view [emphasis added]
Pale should be ashamed. But then, he seems incapable of shame.
Pale Can't Help Himself
Palerider
grrl lawyer yes, why are you posting it is the same question. Nothing
''partisan'' in his comment that Kerry is out of touch with reality, Obama's
own DCI said pretty much the same thing.
Wrong -- Pale --- the DCI didn't even MENTION Kerry.... Sheesh!
8900 PM:
Palerider [Quote] -- 9:05am -- Fri, Feb 27, 15 pst
Palerider
grrl lawyer actually the DCI didn't mention Kerry
Victor? Complaining about Someone Not Answering?
| 8146 PM: Victor [Quote] -- 6:33am -- Fri, Feb 27, 15 pst |
Victor
I suppose you don't want to answer....
Thursday, February 26, 2015
Seems to Me
It seems to many that I'm usually right about things. And from their point of view, that's the way it is.
And the reason it appears that way is because I ordinarily don't stick my neck out by stating things I don't KNOW to be true; nor do I ordinarily make predictions about football games or political races.
And the reason it appears that way is because I ordinarily don't stick my neck out by stating things I don't KNOW to be true; nor do I ordinarily make predictions about football games or political races.
Try to Imagine
Imagine if six of
Obama's aides and associates were convicted of crimes committed while
working with him back in the state senate in IL.
Just TRY to fucking imagine. *S*
Now imagine instead, that it's Wisconsin and it's aides and associates who worked with Scott Walker when he was a county executive.
Hahahahahahah
Obama's aides and associates were convicted of crimes committed while
working with him back in the state senate in IL.
Just TRY to fucking imagine. *S*
Now imagine instead, that it's Wisconsin and it's aides and associates who worked with Scott Walker when he was a county executive.
Hahahahahahah
Black President? Never Again
| 6667 PM: Toy911 [Quote] -- 8:33pm -- Thu, Feb 26, 15 pst |
Toy 911 Celeste:
im sad to say that Obama killed any chance for another black president for a long time
The Straw Man in Football
Typical lame-brained rightwinger sloppy logical fallacy --- the straw man.
No one SAID raising the minimum wage would ''fix poverty.'' Victor is
cited with illegal use of a dipshit logical fallacy and is penalized an
extra 10 yards for thinking we wouldn't catch him.
6586 PM: Victor [Quote] -- 8:18pm -- Thu, Feb 26, 15 pst
Victor
But, if increasing the minimum wage is a completely painless fix to poverty...then why are we talking about so little?
No one SAID raising the minimum wage would ''fix poverty.'' Victor is
cited with illegal use of a dipshit logical fallacy and is penalized an
extra 10 yards for thinking we wouldn't catch him.
6586 PM: Victor [Quote] -- 8:18pm -- Thu, Feb 26, 15 pst
Victor
But, if increasing the minimum wage is a completely painless fix to poverty...then why are we talking about so little?
Planets Are Warming?
5717 PM: Polinc [Quote] -- 5:57pm -- Thu, Feb 26, 15 pst
Polinc
All of the other planets, without Man, are warming as well.
Disabled Vet?
4073 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 1:42pm -- Thu, Feb 26, 15 pst
I'm a disabled vet, and not from falling down drunk one night. I suppose I think I've earned the right to express an opinion, much as anyone else.
Employer Prohibitions
3949 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 1:26pm -- Thu, Feb 26, 15 pst
It depends on who is asking and what I think their intentions are and the specific question. I've answered quite a few question, though not much of recent times - given my employer's prohibitions.
More Namecalling
2855 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 11:08am -- Thu, Feb 26, 15 pst
Namvet is an Ass
He's a dope all right.
Pavolov's Dogs
CaG: I pushed your button; and like a DOG you started salivating.
You demand to know my ''role.'' You demand to know what I ''did.'' You demand to know this, that, and the other all about ME. To you it's very personal.
Your first post to me today was a personal insult. Then you DEMANDED I tell you personal things about myself.
Son, THAT is YOUR obsession.
Yes, it's creepy; but at the same time it's HILARIOUS the way I can make you guys slobber like dogs.
MwJohnson's Whopper
2233 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 9:43am -- Thu, Feb 26, 15 pst
I have never known Christians to reject science nor the theory of evolution.
Christ vs Evolution
2258 PM: Dwightvol [Quote] -- 9:45am -- Thu, Feb 26, 15 pst
Dwightvol
MW... in all candor, the claims of
Darwin and those of Jesus Christ cannot
both be true.
I choose Jesus Christ.
God the Biologist
1992 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 9:13am -- Thu, Feb 26, 15 pst
I think Darwin added to man's understanding of God's works in biology.
I think Darwin added to man's understanding of God's works in biology.
CaG? Double-naught Agent?
1896 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 8:59am -- Thu, Feb 26, 15 pst
My field was intelligence as an agent.
My field was intelligence as an agent.
Rightwinger Science
Remember ---- our rightwinger friends have told us a square is not a rectangle; trees produce ozone; birds are mammals, the US covers almost all of the northern hemisphere; the North Pole is a land mass; global warming is a hoax; the moon does not rotate on its axis; and the earth is only 6,000 years old.
It's like there is a great big neon sign flashing in the sky saying, "Dumbass Rightwingers! Go to BTP and make 'em die laughing."
Wednesday, February 25, 2015
No Point Saving
| 8479 PM: Polinc [Quote] -- 7:39pm -- Wed, Feb 25, 15 pst |
POLINC There's no point in saving any longer.
It's Easy to Cross the Border Illegally (Some say)
7081 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 2:15pm -- Wed, Feb 25, 15 pst
No. If it wasn't easy to cross and stay in this country illegally they wouldn't try.
[ quoted: Doss - CaG: But if it were ``easy`` as you claim, they wouldn`t die or get caught. ]
Bush Debacle
6086 PM: Labrown [Quote] -- 10:40am -- Wed, Feb 25, 15 pst
L.A.Brown
Cinders - yea, not like Bush who did the same thing but to make the rich richer rather than to save a failing national infrastructure. It's hard to believe anyone could be as ignorant as you are. 50 straight months of private sector job growth, gas prices down, medical inflation at lowest rate in 50 yrs, record Wall St profits, unemployment below 6%, bin Laden dead, lowest growth in govt spending since Eisenhower, deficit cut in half - clearly it's time to go back to doing everything Bush did?
L.A.Brown
Cinders - yea, not like Bush who did the same thing but to make the rich richer rather than to save a failing national infrastructure. It's hard to believe anyone could be as ignorant as you are. 50 straight months of private sector job growth, gas prices down, medical inflation at lowest rate in 50 yrs, record Wall St profits, unemployment below 6%, bin Laden dead, lowest growth in govt spending since Eisenhower, deficit cut in half - clearly it's time to go back to doing everything Bush did?
The last year of Bush's presidency concluded with a TOTAL collapse of US economy, every bank insolvent, every major US auto maker bankrupt, AIG and most insurances companies bankrupt, the entire US financial system in complete cardiac arrest, two MAJOR wars, NEITHER OF WHICH HAD YET BEEN PAID FOR, and all this amidst first hand accounts of pallets full of US Currency being dropped from planes and stolen by Iraqis while they looted the museums and WHILE DOUBLING THE NATIONAL DEBT, NOT to BAIL OUT and revitalize a nation on life support over the obstruction of the most dim witted GOP in the history of the country BUT to give bigger tax refunds to multimillionaires who were not job creators and instead rat holed the money in the Bahamas.
Miltary Decimated?
4896 PM: Kaslin [Quote] -- 7:20am -- Wed, Feb 25, 15 pst
Kaslin
US MILITARY DECIMATED UNDER 0BAMA
The military has been reduced by 10%? Not quite. Now for the truth.
Kaslin
US MILITARY DECIMATED UNDER 0BAMA
The military has been reduced by 10%? Not quite. Now for the truth.
Kaslin claims that the military has been cut by 10% under Obama. She's lying, of course. Spending is UP.
From Time magazine:
"Pentagon spending since 2001 vastly exceeds that of any decade since 1950, and it is notable that the wars of the 1950s and 1960s (Korea and Vietnam) involved far larger deployments of troops and equipment than the wars since 2001.
— Second, the $612 billion President Obama is seeking for 2014 is a major increase above the average yearly amount ($354 billion) spent during the Cold War (1948-1991). The 2014 level is a $258 billion, or 72% — increase."
Double Down Back Lash
"In a related study, Northwestern University researcher Monica Prasad and her colleagues found similar behavior
among partisan Republican voters in Illinois and North Carolina.
Presented with evidence suggesting that there was no link between Saddam
Hussein and the 9/11 attacks, these voters tended to counterargue and
to double-down on their beliefs, rather than change their minds or admit
error."
That is --- when they realized they had embraced a lie, rather than admit it and accept the truth, they DOUBLE-DOWN on the lie.
Researchers identified three obvious lies about Bush's war in Iraq and presented them to their subjects. As we might expect, the Fox viewers were more likely to believe the lies.
"Sure enough, Fox viewers led the way in embracing these false assertions, with 80 percent of them believing at least one of the three. Seventy-one percent of CBS viewers also held one of these three false beliefs. For consumers of NPR and PBS, only 23 percent believed one or more of these pro-war myths. Notably, Republicans and supporters of George W. Bush had a much higher level of belief in these falsehoods. So what caused these misperceptions to exist? Republican ideological allegiance likely led to an initial belief in these misrepresentations, but then Fox watching bolstered these views. "
From "How the Iraq War Launched the Modern Era of Political BS" by Chris Moonie in Mother Jones Magazine; http://tinyurl.com/yapyv9kv
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/iraq-war-wmds-saddam-political-unreason
"Fox viewers led the way in embracing these false assertions, with 80
percent of them believing at least one of the three. For consumers of
both NPR and PBS, in contrast, only 23 percent believed one or more of
these pro-war myths."
Tuesday, February 24, 2015
One Guy Gets It
| 2745 PM: Labrown [Quote] -- 7:33pm -- Tue, Feb 24, 15 pst |
L.A.Brown Yea, that damn Obama really fucked things up but ONLY for those who have forgotten 2008
The last year of Bush's presidency concluded with a TOTAL collapse of
US economy, every bank insolvent, every major US auto maker bankrupt,
AIG and most insurances companies bankrupt, the entire US financial
system in complete cardiac arrest, two MAJOR wars, NEITHER OF WHICH HAD
YET BEEN PAID FOR, and all this amidst first hand accounts of pallets
full of US Currency being dropped from planes and stolen by Iraqis while
they looted the museums and WHILE DOUBLING THE NATIONAL DEBT, NOT to
BAIL OUT and revitalize a nation on life support over the obstruction of
the most dim witted GOP in the history of the country BUT to give
bigger tax refunds to multimillionaires who were not job creators and
instead rat holed the money in the Bahamas.
TODAY the banks
are making loans, home values and portfolio investment values WHICH HAD
BEEN CUT IN HALF have had MOST of their value RESTORED.
The economy that was SHRINKING AT A RATE OF 5.5% A YEAR IS NOW GROWING at 4%.
THE DOW has gone from 7,949 when Bush left office to over 16,000+ HAVING MORE THAN DOUBLED.
THE DEFICIT IS LESS THAN HALF of what it was when Bush left office,
despite Republican policies that encourage sending jobs offshore,
unemployment is down, the wars are getting paid for and UNLIKE THE GOP,
this administration is not homophobic, chauvinistic, racist, AND
reminiscent of robber barons, Jim Crow and John Wayne.
Whatever Obama's shortcomings, I hope this little reminder helped my right wing friends keep reality in perspective.
| 2761 PM: Labrown [Quote] -- 7:35pm -- Tue, Feb 24, 15 pst |
L.A.Brown 50
straight months of private sector job growth, gas prices down, medical
inflation at lowest rate in 50 yrs, record Wall St profits, unemployment
below 6%, bin Laden dead, lowest growth in govt spending since
Eisenhower, deficit cut in half - What is left to hate Obama for unless
you just hate black folks? LMAO
Bush Lied?
| 698 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 2:53pm -- Tue, Feb 24, 15 pst |
The House Drummer You see, after Brian Williams & Bill O'Reilly. Everyone has become incensed over their party guys.
I just like to point out that they all lie. No doubt even the Great
Ronoldo-Maxima might have told a fib or two. I am not aware of
any,....but he was a politician afterall.
Reagan the Crook
Whenever someone brings up Reagan and paints him as a hero, I like to cite this little fact from Sleepwalking Through History, by Haynes Johnson: The numbers of Reagan administration officials either indicted or the subject of criminal and ethical investigations reached record proportions in Washington. (pg.388)
That's "record" as in more than anyone else.
By the end of his [Reagan's] term 138 administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. (pg. 184)
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEguz5HdrTkNS63TPjzM6tPErSmj8nNM3Gt64LXvqk8hfZNchaoEUoG0KtxYdqCCByokQxbn_4dM-HGNBZqN8ooImekPqG6ttc4gfxCJAWzLXSfBC_DO0VJlTwY203t7mUx7M3zcWdUgBuU/s320/reagan-crook.jpg
Our Military People Are Unqualified to Work in the Private Sector?
This is what zajak thinks of most of our military men and women.
256 PM: Zajak [Quote] -- 1:20pm -- Tue, Feb 24, 15 pst
Zajak
unless of course you don't think federal employees are people..
most are unqualified to work in the private sector = government employees.
256 PM: Zajak [Quote] -- 1:20pm -- Tue, Feb 24, 15 pst
Zajak
unless of course you don't think federal employees are people..
most are unqualified to work in the private sector = government employees.
The Real Reason They Want to Cut Federal Spending
| 246 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 1:16pm -- Tue, Feb 24, 15 pst |
Spending is Savings!
It
is not the same Maggie. Federal spending involves the proliferation of
public employee unions, voting block, and power over people.
MSNBC -- Hit Bottom?
| 6531 PM: Richweb [Quote] -- 12:20pm -- Tue, Feb 24, 15 pst |
Richweb--
WHAT ?--NO LEFTIST wants to defend Keith Olberman---when you get fired
at MSNBC--you have hit bottom
Name-Calling?
| 6012 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 9:18am -- Tue, Aug 6, 13 PST Mwjohnson I don't even give it a thought . . . it's just politics. Some folks must attempt to insult folks they disagree with. . . ___________________________ You mean like this? 5930 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 11:11am -- Tue, Feb 24, 15 pst |
I think that says a lot about us as a people, electing a scumbag like Bill Clinton.
9133 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 9:23am -- Fri, Feb 13, 15 pst
. . . You don't think name-calling is hateful . . . ?
Pelosi ? Speaker when Daddy Bush Was President?
 doss Richweb: Here is another example of how the Bush's do ''business.'' A friend of Jeb's borrowed $4.5 MILLION from the bank; putting up only his good word as collateral. On that SAME DAY, that friend then loaned $4.5 MILLION to Jeb for him to purchase a building --- that building being the collateral. Then, they ALL defaulted on their loans and only had to pay back $500k of the $4.5 MILLIONS they had borrowed; AND (and this is a real kicker.) They got to KEEP their collateral. Sweet, eh? __________________________________ Now watch the way Weedhopper gets it all mixed up. ___________________________________ 4847 PM: Weedhopper [Quote] -- 7:42am -- Tue, Feb 24, 15 pst |
He hears the silence howling, catches angels as they fall
Too bad Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, at the time, did nothing about it
[
quoted: Doss - Richweb: Here is an example of how the Bush`s do
``business.``Neil arranged to loan some friends $132 million dollars.
Then in turn ``loaned`` Neil $100,000; then turned around and
``forgave`` the loan. But it gets better; they also set up Neil i ]
_______________________
Problem -- Pelosi served in the House; not in the executive branch. Congress MAKES laws; it doesn't enforce them; that's up the executive branch.
Problem --- Pelosi did not become Speaker until 2007. The Silverado scandal didn't really hit the news until 1990.
Later, Weed claims that Pelosi could have IMPEACHED the president.
Problem: She'd never be able to convince the House to impeach Dubya for what Neil did back in 1990. It just wouldn't fly.
| 4878 PM: Weedhopper [Quote] -- 7:47am -- Tue, Feb 24, 15 pst |
He hears the silence howling, catches angels as they fall
Doss
- Who ever told you that the president is above the law never heard
about impeachment, obviously...they must be really old and stupid
[Quote] Victor - You counting each election? [Unquote]
[
quoted: Doss - Weed: Whoever told you that the Speaker of the House is
a part of the executive branch played a cruel joke on you. Congress can
only make laws. It can`t enforce them. ]
_______________________________________
Problem: Neil Bush wasn't president.
__________________
More trouble from Weed.
| 5028 PM: Weedhopper [Quote] -- 8:15am -- Tue, Feb 24, 15 pst |
He hears the silence howling, catches angels as they fall
Too bad Nancy Pelosi, thespeaker of the House, at the time, did nothing about it
Poor Doss forgets that the S&L's didn't collapse until 17 years
later...right after Nancy Pelosi became speaker of the house
It's nice that Doss proves he LIED aboiut my post
______________________
The "S&L's didn't collapse until 17 years later"? You mean in 2007? Weed, get a grip, son.
Stick with facts; not with your revised history.
From Daily Finance: "While most of us were alive 20 years ago, peoples' memories of the savings and loan crisis of the early 1990s have faded. But more than
1,000 so-called savings & loans -- banks specifically set up to lend
out their deposits to people buying houses -- failed in the late 1980s
and early 1990s due to a change in regulation that permitted S&Ls to
take big risks. Bailing them out ultimately cost the federal government
$220 billion."
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/07/03/financial-meltdown-vs-savings-loan-crisis-recession/
_________________________
Problem: After Weed claimed Pelosi was Speaker of the House in 1990, I corrected him. Then, he argued that he never claimed Pelosi was Speaker at that time.
| 5015 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 8:13am -- Tue, Feb 24, 15 pst |
doss 4991 PM: Weedhopper [Quote] -- 8:09am -- Tue, Feb 24, 15 pst
He hears the silence howling, catches angels as they fall
doss
Weed: Why did you earlier say Pelosi was Speaker of the House in 1990
I didn't...but it's OK that you lie
Oh, yes, you did. *S* And I don't lie. You said she was Speaker ''at the time.''
4847 PM: Weedhopper [Quote] -- 7:42am -- Tue, Feb 24, 15 pst
He hears the silence howling, catches angels as they fall
Too bad Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, at the time, did nothing about it
[ quoted: Doss - Richweb: Here is an example of how the Bushs do business.Neil arranged to loan some friends $132 million dollars. Then in turn loaned` Neil $100,000; then turned around and ``forgave`` the loan. But it gets better; they also set up Neil i ]
From the original post, here's the part Weed partially quoted.Notice, there is NO mention. ZERO mention of Dubya.
Richweb: Here is an example of how the Bushs do business.Neil arranged to loan some friends $132 million dollars. Then in turn loaned Neil $100,000; then turned around and ``forgave`` the loan. But it gets better; they also set up Neil in a deal for him to receive $550,000 in "salary" in addition to the $100,000 they "loaned" him; then told him he didn't have to pay back.
When the shit finally DID hit the fan, Neil had to pay back on $50,000. Sweet deal, eh?
Do the Right Thing
The GOP simply has no
good options to use against Obama. He's doing the right thing; and it's
just hard to find a good way to fight the right thing.
good options to use against Obama. He's doing the right thing; and it's
just hard to find a good way to fight the right thing.
Bush Never Had to Do Physical Labor
"Seven months after he signed the death warrant on ergonomics regulations, President Bush, who has never held a job involving physical labor, appointed Eugene Scalia solicitor of labor."
Over 180 federal laws to "protect the worker, but there's a catch. The worker can't hire a lawyer to enforce them." They had to count on Anton Scalia's son to look out for their interests. Bush to downtrodden workers: "meet your lawyer - Gene Scalia."
From "Bushwacked: Life in George Bush's America" by Molly Ivins and Lou Dubose. Random House, NY, 2005; pg. 68
Over 180 federal laws to "protect the worker, but there's a catch. The worker can't hire a lawyer to enforce them." They had to count on Anton Scalia's son to look out for their interests. Bush to downtrodden workers: "meet your lawyer - Gene Scalia."
From "Bushwacked: Life in George Bush's America" by Molly Ivins and Lou Dubose. Random House, NY, 2005; pg. 68
Monday, February 23, 2015
Yes, but not from Bush War Hawks
I don't know about you guys. But....
When it comes to matter of spirituality, scripture, salvation,
redemption, grace, and interpretation of the utterings of the Holy
Spirit, I'll be damned if I'm going to listen to the same bunch of
clowns who say Bush didn't lie us into Iraq.
Let's just say I have no faith whatsoever in your judgment.
When it comes to matter of spirituality, scripture, salvation,
redemption, grace, and interpretation of the utterings of the Holy
Spirit, I'll be damned if I'm going to listen to the same bunch of
clowns who say Bush didn't lie us into Iraq.
Let's just say I have no faith whatsoever in your judgment.
Zombies - A New Thing?
9727 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 1:09pm -- Mon, Feb 23, 15 pst
American Jedi
Zombie movies are in because the folks that were in High-School when
they became Popular are now adults, and reeeeeeeally like them/.
Damn, Johnson's apparently much older than I thought!
White Zombie - 1932
Revolt of the Zombies - 1936
The Devil's Daughter - 1939
King of the Zombies - 1941
Bowerie Midnight - 1942
I Walked with a Zombie - 1943
Revenge of the Zombies - 1943
American Jedi
Zombie movies are in because the folks that were in High-School when
they became Popular are now adults, and reeeeeeeally like them/.
Damn, Johnson's apparently much older than I thought!
White Zombie - 1932
Revolt of the Zombies - 1936
The Devil's Daughter - 1939
King of the Zombies - 1941
Bowerie Midnight - 1942
I Walked with a Zombie - 1943
Revenge of the Zombies - 1943
Personal Attacks? Vogue?
9100 PM: Raccoon [Quote] -- 11:38am -- Mon, Feb 23, 15 pst
Raccoon
...sadly...pradung actually believes the shit he posts
"pradung"?
Oh my -- there is a reason for such name-calling.
4767 PM: Mistysea -- Tue, May 25 1:19pm PST -----
Mistysea
Personal attacks are reflective of a poor upbringing.....IMHO. Some think it's acceptable - probably think it's vogue.
Raccoon
...sadly...pradung actually believes the shit he posts
"pradung"?
Oh my -- there is a reason for such name-calling.
4767 PM: Mistysea -- Tue, May 25 1:19pm PST -----
Mistysea
Personal attacks are reflective of a poor upbringing.....IMHO. Some think it's acceptable - probably think it's vogue.
Scooter Libby Cleared?
Snap: Scooter Libby
was a special assistant to President George Bush. (Right wingers will
deny this too. *S*); he helped disclose the identity of a secret CIA
agent for political purposes; and was then caught in the cover up of the
crime.
At first the rightwingers claimed he'd done nothing
wrong; then they claimed there'd be no idictments; then they claimed
there'd be no conviction.
Then, after he was convicted, Fox claimed he'd been cleared.
It's what passes for ''journalism'' in the US.
was a special assistant to President George Bush. (Right wingers will
deny this too. *S*); he helped disclose the identity of a secret CIA
agent for political purposes; and was then caught in the cover up of the
crime.
At first the rightwingers claimed he'd done nothing
wrong; then they claimed there'd be no idictments; then they claimed
there'd be no conviction.
Then, after he was convicted, Fox claimed he'd been cleared.
It's what passes for ''journalism'' in the US.
Bring up Clinton?
8476 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 9:43am -- Mon, Feb 23, 15 pst
Palerider
Bill Clinton, the.champion of woman's rights.
4803 PM: Marta8point5 -- Sat, Apr 8 6:19am pst
Marta8point5(This week's lament: Bush leaked!)
They can't stop talking about Clinton because they are out of ideas.
9890 PM: Luvy -- Tue, Dec 28 5:34am PST
Luvy
You bring up Clinton when you lose the argument.
1900 PM: Mistysea -- Sat, May 22 5:48am PST -----
Mistysea
When [they] can't defend their arguments they try to change the topic to Billy Jeff Clinton.
Palerider
Bill Clinton, the.champion of woman's rights.
4803 PM: Marta8point5 -- Sat, Apr 8 6:19am pst
Marta8point5(This week's lament: Bush leaked!)
They can't stop talking about Clinton because they are out of ideas.
9890 PM: Luvy -- Tue, Dec 28 5:34am PST
Luvy
You bring up Clinton when you lose the argument.
1900 PM: Mistysea -- Sat, May 22 5:48am PST -----
Mistysea
When [they] can't defend their arguments they try to change the topic to Billy Jeff Clinton.
Send Others?
8414 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 9:30am -- Mon, Feb 23, 15 pst
Palerider
Gurjar pay attention, the subjects at hand were forcing OTHERS to be
suicide bombers
Like when you were willing to send OTHERS to die over WMDs that didn't exist.
Don't Tell Me What I Think
8339 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 9:15am -- Mon, Feb 23, 15 pst
Palerider
as a woman, LadyS assumes she's a victim but pretends it's my fault she
thinks so poorly of herself
Now check out this:
4952 PM: Palerider --Thu, Jun 30 11:35am PST -----
PaleRider
..ahh..now you propose to tell me what I think eh?
2968 PM: Palerider --Mon, Jun 21 10:42am PST -----
PaleRider
. . . quit trying to tell me what I think
Palerider
as a woman, LadyS assumes she's a victim but pretends it's my fault she
thinks so poorly of herself
Now check out this:
4952 PM: Palerider --Thu, Jun 30 11:35am PST -----
PaleRider
..ahh..now you propose to tell me what I think eh?
2968 PM: Palerider --Mon, Jun 21 10:42am PST -----
PaleRider
. . . quit trying to tell me what I think
Rightwingers Are Pronoun-challenged
8322 PM: Stockticker [Quote] -- 9:13am -- Mon, Feb 23, 15 pst
'Seven-year-old girl' kills herself and five others in Nigeria suicide bombing
DAMN...if ONLY we could have found him a JOB!!!!
8322 PM: Stockticker [Quote] -- 9:13am -- Mon, Feb 23, 15 pst
'Seven-year-old girl' kills herself and five others in Nigeria suicide bombing
DAMN...if ONLY we could have found him a JOB!!!!
'Seven-year-old girl' kills herself and five others in Nigeria suicide bombing
DAMN...if ONLY we could have found him a JOB!!!!
8322 PM: Stockticker [Quote] -- 9:13am -- Mon, Feb 23, 15 pst
'Seven-year-old girl' kills herself and five others in Nigeria suicide bombing
DAMN...if ONLY we could have found him a JOB!!!!
War on Women Is a Myth?
8285 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 9:08am -- Mon, Feb 23, 15 pst
Palerider
''War on women''
They so love their bumper sticker myths
Palerider
''War on women''
They so love their bumper sticker myths
Sunday, February 22, 2015
Even Whiter?
| 4818 PM: Celeste [Quote] -- 5:22pm -- Sun, Feb 22, 15 pst |
Celeste
Scout: My world will get even whiter if I have anything to do with it.
Weed Admits to Lying
Weed: So you lied on purpose, eh?
I thought it was a typo. My mistake.
3294 PM: Weedhopper [Quote] -- 1:45pm -- Sun, Feb 22, 15 pst
. . . I did no such thing...I was admitting that I had imitated YOU and LIED on purpose.
______________________________
You got to hand it to Misty, Weed, and Pale.
At least they admit that they lie on purpose.
I thought it was a typo. My mistake.
3294 PM: Weedhopper [Quote] -- 1:45pm -- Sun, Feb 22, 15 pst
. . . I did no such thing...I was admitting that I had imitated YOU and LIED on purpose.
______________________________
You got to hand it to Misty, Weed, and Pale.
At least they admit that they lie on purpose.
Pale Says Dwight Should Change Handle in Honor of BigBenn
| 3111 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 1:02pm -- Sun, Feb 22, 15 pst |
Palerider
Dwight I've mentioned the Benn parallel a number of times
Maybe change the handle, Dwight Benn Bigamus
Saturday, February 21, 2015
MwJohnson Doesn't Trust Anyone on TV
5358 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 11:55am -- Sat, Feb 21, 15 pst
I don't trust many people. None of them are on TV.
I'll remind Johnson of this when the GOP finally decides which lying piece of shit they're going to run for president in 2016.
I don't trust many people. None of them are on TV.
I'll remind Johnson of this when the GOP finally decides which lying piece of shit they're going to run for president in 2016.
Friday, February 20, 2015
Low Wage - Hard Work
We once sent a UAW time and motion analyst in to watch a minimum wage convenience store clerk for 2 hours.
He came out shaking his head.
He said there isn't a job in that entire auto manufacturing plant that requires anyone work half as hard, fast, and consistently as that clerk's job required.
Republians have been arguing for years that paying these low level workers more is bad for business.
Suddenly Walmart sticks it's thumb in their eye by giving raises voluntarily.
So much for the argument that wage hikes are bad for business.
1764 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 9:49pm -- Fri, Feb 20, 15 pst
Hanging up clothes or checking out a customer is 'hard work,' for some. For the rest it is hardly working.
| 1736 PM: Celeste [Quote] -- 9:44pm -- Fri, Feb 20, 15 pst |
Celeste
$15 an hour for dragging merchandise thru a scanner or for flipping burgers?
Yeah, I'd say that's free money . . .
For It Before He Was Against It
525 PM: Intrepid [Quote] -- 5:59pm -- Fri, Feb 20, 15 pst
Intrepid
Tina: The problem I have with it is that it is the government mandating the kids do something that parents should be having them do anyways. There never any censure or anything on the parents. I've read weepy articles this winter about ''kids go without meals on snow days''. For real?! Take those kids out of those homes!
Intrepid's complaint is that the community service work is work that the children should be doing ANYWAY --- so --- he's against them doing it.
Intrepid
Tina: The problem I have with it is that it is the government mandating the kids do something that parents should be having them do anyways. There never any censure or anything on the parents. I've read weepy articles this winter about ''kids go without meals on snow days''. For real?! Take those kids out of those homes!
Intrepid's complaint is that the community service work is work that the children should be doing ANYWAY --- so --- he's against them doing it.
How to Answer Questions
Toy: Just be a man and say, ''Dosset.
Are you kidding me? No one in his right mind believed that horse shit.
Who the fuck did Bush think he was fooling? Of COURSE I knew he was
lying about not remembering what he did while he was in the Guard.''
Or, say, ''Dosset. Yes, I believed Bush didn't remember what he did in
the Guard; because he was a drunk and cocaine addict.''
Are you kidding me? No one in his right mind believed that horse shit.
Who the fuck did Bush think he was fooling? Of COURSE I knew he was
lying about not remembering what he did while he was in the Guard.''
Or, say, ''Dosset. Yes, I believed Bush didn't remember what he did in
the Guard; because he was a drunk and cocaine addict.''
Professional Military? Bad Idea?
7711 PM: Grrllawyer [Quote] -- 10:21am -- Fri, Feb 20, 15 pst
Grrllawyer
I think a draft would be a decent option to explore a ''professional
army'' is a terrible idea in a democracy
MwJohnson Gets Around
| 7888 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 10:46am -- Fri, Feb 20, 15 pst |
Gee I am glad semen doesn't taste like chocolate.
Let Them Eat Cake
"Americans don't have to speculate about what Ronald Reagan would have done about Syria and Iran. We know what he actually did. That is, after his disastrous intervention in the Lebanese civil war resulted in hundreds of U.S. casualties at the hands of Syria
and its proxies, President Reagan turned tail and retreated in
humiliation. As for the mullahs in Tehran, Ronald Reagan didn't send a
message to Iran, but instead a cake, a bible and American weapons."
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/we-know-what-reagan-would-have-done-about-iran-syria
and its proxies, President Reagan turned tail and retreated in
humiliation. As for the mullahs in Tehran, Ronald Reagan didn't send a
message to Iran, but instead a cake, a bible and American weapons."
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/we-know-what-reagan-would-have-done-about-iran-syria
Rudy Lying?
Unsoma: Notice that they're in a pickle.
They can't bring themselves to say whether Rudy lied about his remarks being ''horrible.''
If they ADMIT that his comments were ''horrible'' as he admitted, then they
are also admitting that the outrage directed at Rudy is perfectly
righteous.
BUT --- If they say Rudy's remarks were NOT horrible, then they're saying he lied.
Either way, they are fucked, and they know it.
It seems a perpetual state for many of them.
They can't bring themselves to say whether Rudy lied about his remarks being ''horrible.''
If they ADMIT that his comments were ''horrible'' as he admitted, then they
are also admitting that the outrage directed at Rudy is perfectly
righteous.
BUT --- If they say Rudy's remarks were NOT horrible, then they're saying he lied.
Either way, they are fucked, and they know it.
It seems a perpetual state for many of them.
Thursday, February 19, 2015
Nonsense? From Whom?
First, I laid the trap.
doss
''Yet we know that this war will not be won by force of arms alone. We
must defeat the terrorists on the battlefield and we must also defeat
them in the battle of ideas... We must change the conditions that allow
terrorists to flourish and recruit . . . To spread the vision of hope
the United States is determined to help nations that are struggling with
poverty.''
Makes sense to me.
CaG went for the bait.
[ignored: -Imzadi-Namvet-Pandora]
''Yet we know that this war will not be won by force of arms alone. We
must defeat the terrorists on the battlefield and we must also defeat
them in the battle of ideas.''
That much of
it is correct, which I argued in this chat days before Harf said
anything. The rest of it is nonsense. And if you keep repeating the
same thing I will end my part of the thread.
The reason they don't want to discuss it is that they know damned well what she said makes sense.
It made SO MUCH SENSE that Limbaugh changed it to make her sound stupid.
If her real words were stupid, there'd have been no need for the right to fabricate a quote and falsely attributed it to her.
They could have simply used her own words.
| 5037 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 8:53pm -- Thu, Feb 19, 15 pst |
doss ''Yet we know that this war will not be won by force of arms alone. We
must defeat the terrorists on the battlefield and we must also defeat
them in the battle of ideas... We must change the conditions that allow
terrorists to flourish and recruit . . . To spread the vision of hope
the United States is determined to help nations that are struggling with
poverty.''
Makes sense to me.
CaG went for the bait.
| 5041 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 8:55pm -- Thu, Feb 19, 15 pst |
[ignored: -Imzadi-Namvet-Pandora]
''Yet we know that this war will not be won by force of arms alone. We
must defeat the terrorists on the battlefield and we must also defeat
them in the battle of ideas.''
That much of
it is correct, which I argued in this chat days before Harf said
anything. The rest of it is nonsense. And if you keep repeating the
same thing I will end my part of the thread.
The reason they don't want to discuss it is that they know damned well what she said makes sense.
It made SO MUCH SENSE that Limbaugh changed it to make her sound stupid.
If her real words were stupid, there'd have been no need for the right to fabricate a quote and falsely attributed it to her.
They could have simply used her own words.
Nuts
2701 PM: Mistysea [Quote] -- 1:56pm -- Thu, Feb 19, 15 pst
Mistysea
Obama Says We Must 'Reject Notion That ISIS Represents Islam'
Bet he didn't refer to the last book of the Bible as "Revelations" like you did.
Mistysea
Obama Says We Must 'Reject Notion That ISIS Represents Islam'
2699 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 1:56pm -- Thu, Feb 19, 15 pst
I am sure Obama doesn't believe his views are anti-American, he believes he is the new America, The New Fatherland, The New Reich!
2757 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 2:05pm -- Thu, Feb 19, 15 pst
He does not have much Christian background nor does he come across as a Christian.
Bet he didn't refer to the last book of the Bible as "Revelations" like you did.
99.9% Supports Terrorism?
2473 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 1:15pm -- Thu, Feb 19, 15 pst
Palerider
The administration has floated this absurd idea that 99.9% is all that
supports terrorism and associated groups, that's not even true in the US,
let alone in the Muslim/Arab/Persian world
Palerider
The administration has floated this absurd idea that 99.9% is all that
supports terrorism and associated groups, that's not even true in the US,
let alone in the Muslim/Arab/Persian world
Pale Is Gun Shy
Veritas: My guess is that Pale fears I'm setting him up for some sort of trap. He's afraid to agree; and he's afraid NOT to agree.
He knows from experience that I often trap him this way --- set up questions for him so that no matter how he answers, he's fucked.
So he's a bit gun shy. *S*
He knows from experience that I often trap him this way --- set up questions for him so that no matter how he answers, he's fucked.
So he's a bit gun shy. *S*
Comparing Crusades to Today's Terrorism?
1776 PM: Dudley [Quote] -- 10:57am -- Thu, Feb 19, 15 pst
Dudley
Yeah, and he was criticized for it. Obama compares the acts of radicals today to the Crusades . . .
Dudley
Yeah, and he was criticized for it. Obama compares the acts of radicals today to the Crusades . . .
Wednesday, February 18, 2015
Terrorism Linked to Poverty?
| 6473 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 5:21pm -- Wed, Feb 18, 15 pst |
doss Which bleeding heart Muslim-commie-liberal spoke this horse shit:
''Yet we know that this war will not be won by force of arms alone. We
must defeat the terrorists on the battlefield and we must also defeat
them in the battle of ideas... We must change the conditions that allow
terrorists to flourish and recruit . . . To spread the vision of hope
the United States is determined to help nations that are struggling with
poverty.''
NY TIMES (9/14/2005) http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/02/17/right-wing-media-attack-obama-for-tying-terror/202548
Direct Quote?
4800 PM: Vagne [Quote] -- 1:48pm -- Wed, Feb 18, 15 pst
Vagne
Here's the direct quote....
arf: Whether it’s lack of opportunity for jobs…
JOBS. WE’RE GOING TO DEFEAT ISIS BY ENSURING THEY HAVE JOBS, YOU GUYS.
And to ensure ISIS remains occupied enough to forget their sacred past
time of lopping off heads, we must provide unrestricted access to basic
human rights like free heath care, and wifi. Probably, anyway. Because
at this point, why not?
Vagne
Here's the direct quote....
arf: Whether it’s lack of opportunity for jobs…
JOBS. WE’RE GOING TO DEFEAT ISIS BY ENSURING THEY HAVE JOBS, YOU GUYS.
And to ensure ISIS remains occupied enough to forget their sacred past
time of lopping off heads, we must provide unrestricted access to basic
human rights like free heath care, and wifi. Probably, anyway. Because
at this point, why not?
Bible Scholar?
6509 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 5:28pm -- Wed, Feb 18, 15 pst
It is Revelation, and is found at the end of most Bibles.
[
quoted: Doss - CaG: ``We all have our limits of knowledge of any
subject...`` Which explains your thinking there is a Book of
``Revelations.`` ]
But, CaG, that's not how you spelled it earlier. *S*
4794 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 1:46pm -- Wed, Feb 18, 15 pst
Actually end times for Muslims deeply involves Christ (Jesus) returning much similar to Revelations. . . [sic & emphasis added]
CEO Gallup - Wrong on Labor Force
“The number of full-time jobs, and that’s what everybody wants, as a percent of the total population, is the lowest it’s ever been… The other thing that is very misleading about that number is the more people that drop out, the better the number gets." - Jim Clifton - Gallup CEO
http://www.infowars.com/gallup-ceo-number-of-full-time-jobs-as-percent-of-population-is-lowest-its-ever-been-video/
No, not everybody wants a full-time job. My 84 year-old mother, for instance; and my brother who retired after working full-time for 3 years.
http://www.infowars.com/gallup-ceo-number-of-full-time-jobs-as-percent-of-population-is-lowest-its-ever-been-video/
No, not everybody wants a full-time job. My 84 year-old mother, for instance; and my brother who retired after working full-time for 3 years.
MwJohnson Is Hearing Things
| 934 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 5:11am -- Wed, Feb 18, 15 pst |
Did everyone hear the State Dept Admin Spokeshole explain that we need
a jobs program for ISIS?
___________________________________________________
Redcatcher: It's like a little
circle jerk. They gather and repeat to each other over and over the
lies they heard on talk radio. It's like a viral infection eating away
at public discourse. It's hard to get a word of truth in edgewise when
the DeltaMikes, Mistys, Victors, Dinos, Johnsons, and Morons of the
right get their lie-orgy going full tilt.
Tuesday, February 17, 2015
Fair and Balanced Talk Radio?
"Edward Monks, a Eugene, Oregon attorney, calculates that in his city, conservatives enjoy a 4,000-to-zero hour advantage over liberals on the radio. He wrote in the Register-Guard:
“Political opinions expressed on talk radio are
approaching the level of uniformity that would normally be achieved only
in a totalitarian society. There is nothing fair, balanced or
democratic about it.”"
He found that there were more than 4,000 hours per year,
programmed for Republican and conservative talk shows, without a single
second programmed for a Democratic or liberal perspective.”
From What Liberal Media - The Truth about Bias and the News; by Eric Alterman -- pg. 71; Perseaus Books
“Political opinions expressed on talk radio are
approaching the level of uniformity that would normally be achieved only
in a totalitarian society. There is nothing fair, balanced or
democratic about it.”"
He found that there were more than 4,000 hours per year,
programmed for Republican and conservative talk shows, without a single
second programmed for a Democratic or liberal perspective.”
From What Liberal Media - The Truth about Bias and the News; by Eric Alterman -- pg. 71; Perseaus Books
During Robert Dole’s 1996 convention speech, network camera operators could not find any actual black people to portray as delegates who were really delegates. So as a favor to Dole and the Republicans, they focused on their own employees. - Eric Alterman; What Liberal Media? ; pp. 149 - 150
Monday, February 16, 2015
Johnson and Hitler
2460 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 3:00pm -- Mon, Feb 16, 15 pst
ReDistribution of Wealth -Herr Hitler would be proud of y'all.
George Will?
George Will?
The guy whose editor said he'd never developed even an ''elementary sense of journalistic propriety''?
The guy who failed to let his editors know of a purloined copy of
Carter's debate preparation materials being in possession of a Will
confidant?
Will, the ''journalist'' who helped touch up Reagan's speeches?
Will the guy who came out against a tariff on Japanese luxury cars
without informing his audience that his wife was being paid as a
registered foreign agent for the Japan Auto Manufacturers Association?
That George Will?
The guy whose editor said he'd never developed even an ''elementary sense of journalistic propriety''?
The guy who failed to let his editors know of a purloined copy of
Carter's debate preparation materials being in possession of a Will
confidant?
Will, the ''journalist'' who helped touch up Reagan's speeches?
Will the guy who came out against a tariff on Japanese luxury cars
without informing his audience that his wife was being paid as a
registered foreign agent for the Japan Auto Manufacturers Association?
That George Will?
USSC on Obamacare
1091 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 10:32am -- Mon, Feb 16, 15 pst
doss
namvet: I expect the USSC to leave ACA intact.
doss
6739 PM: Unsoma [Quote] -- 8:32am -- Wed, Mar 4, 15 pst
Unsoma
---guess the SUPREME COURT has another go at the A C A today--- gawd knows what happens next
THey'll try to figure out a way to smear President Obama -- but leave the law intact.
doss
namvet: I expect the USSC to leave ACA intact.
| 6745 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 8:33am -- Wed, Mar 4, 15 pst |
doss 6739 PM: Unsoma [Quote] -- 8:32am -- Wed, Mar 4, 15 pst
Unsoma
---guess the SUPREME COURT has another go at the A C A today--- gawd knows what happens next
THey'll try to figure out a way to smear President Obama -- but leave the law intact.
Private Room? A Health Care Right?
jajski has drunk the health care is a right kool-aid.
366 PM: Jajski [Quote] -- 8:43am -- Mon, Feb 16, 15 pst
Jajski
a private room is not luxury, it is a right.
366 PM: Jajski [Quote] -- 8:43am -- Mon, Feb 16, 15 pst
Jajski
a private room is not luxury, it is a right.
Sunday, February 15, 2015
"Rare Buy Striking Testosterone"
1853 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 2:10pm -- Sun, Feb 15, 15 pst
You may suffer from some rare buy striking testosterone insecurity complex.
You may suffer from some rare buy striking testosterone insecurity complex.
No Regulations?
1109 PM: Dino [Quote] -- 11:58am -- Sun, Feb 15, 15 pst
Dino
Vagne, no regulations are needed.... free people shouldn't be regulated.
Dino
Vagne, no regulations are needed.... free people shouldn't be regulated.
Friday, February 13, 2015
Reagan Armed Saddam
The "the Reagan administration knew full well it was selling materials to Iraq that was being used for the manufacture of chemical weapons, and that Iraq was using such weapons.''
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/09/04/history-lesson-when-the-united-states-looked-the-other-way-on-chemical-weapons/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/09/04/history-lesson-when-the-united-states-looked-the-other-way-on-chemical-weapons/
Who Is David Koresh
9793 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 11:20am -- Fri, Feb 13, 15 pst
I am not even sure who David Koresh is, or what he believes.
I am not even sure who David Koresh is, or what he believes.
A Bit of Skepticism
9609 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 10:43am -- Fri, Feb 13, 15 pst
Nothing wrong with a bit of skepticism.
Nothing wrong with a bit of skepticism.
Common Card Played?
9319 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 9:52am -- Fri, Feb 13, 15 pst
Palerider
Killing an abortion Dr is such an infrequent event, but always a common
card played
Palerider
Killing an abortion Dr is such an infrequent event, but always a common
card played
Christians Can't Hate?
9161 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 9:29am -- Fri, Feb 13, 15 pst
No Christian can hate. It is virtually not possible. To hate is to deny Christ.
9181 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 9:33am -- Fri, Feb 13, 15 pst
. . . Christians don't hate. It is contrary to Christ.
9237 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 9:40am -- Fri, Feb 13, 15 pst
. . . The subject is hatred . . . Hatred is evil, and atheists who harbor it are evil also.
No Christian can hate. It is virtually not possible. To hate is to deny Christ.
9181 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 9:33am -- Fri, Feb 13, 15 pst
. . . Christians don't hate. It is contrary to Christ.
9237 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 9:40am -- Fri, Feb 13, 15 pst
. . . The subject is hatred . . . Hatred is evil, and atheists who harbor it are evil also.
Name-calling Hypocrisy
9133 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 9:23am -- Fri, Feb 13, 15 pst
. . . You don't think name-calling is hateful . . . ?
You mean like this?
3823 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 7:17pm -- Wed, Jan 28, 15 pst
Mwjohnson
Clinton is such a douchebag
. . . You don't think name-calling is hateful . . . ?
You mean like this?
3823 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 7:17pm -- Wed, Jan 28, 15 pst
Mwjohnson
Clinton is such a douchebag
Fined?
8802 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 8:14am -- Fri, Feb 13, 15 pst
It's just a fleecing. All my kids now have to get Obamacare so they wont get fined heavier than they were this year.
It's just a fleecing. All my kids now have to get Obamacare so they wont get fined heavier than they were this year.
Thursday, February 12, 2015
Around Many Blocks on Guys?
4433 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 2:39pm -- Thu, Feb 12, 15 pst
Palerider
Jajski I've been around many blocks in my life on guys, I've seen many
big tits caused by Big Macs, none caused by smoking dope
Palerider
Jajski I've been around many blocks in my life on guys, I've seen many
big tits caused by Big Macs, none caused by smoking dope
On the Ball?
4406 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 2:35pm -- Thu, Feb 12, 15 pst
. . . . my experience is that folks who rely on booze/drugs to relieve their stress aren't THAT much on the ball.
And my experience has been that those who say Bush didn't lie; or that he was a good president really don't have much at all on the ball.
. . . . my experience is that folks who rely on booze/drugs to relieve their stress aren't THAT much on the ball.
And my experience has been that those who say Bush didn't lie; or that he was a good president really don't have much at all on the ball.
Wednesday, February 11, 2015
Recipe for Disaster
My theory is that the tortured utterances by rightwingers happen because they are really not very sharp.
They employ lazy reading; then, employing lazy thinking, they incorrectly digest what they read. To further complicate matters, they then lazily post their ill-conceived and illogical thoughts using sloppy writing skills.
Then, combine that with the fact that they get their news from such unreliable sources as Fox and Limbaugh.
It's a form of intellectual laziness. They don't read avidly; and when they do read, they miscomprehend what they read. Then, because they lack practice in the sort of critical thinking good reading requires, they employ sloppy thinking in evaluating what they thought they read.
It's a recipe for disaster.
They employ lazy reading; then, employing lazy thinking, they incorrectly digest what they read. To further complicate matters, they then lazily post their ill-conceived and illogical thoughts using sloppy writing skills.
Then, combine that with the fact that they get their news from such unreliable sources as Fox and Limbaugh.
It's a form of intellectual laziness. They don't read avidly; and when they do read, they miscomprehend what they read. Then, because they lack practice in the sort of critical thinking good reading requires, they employ sloppy thinking in evaluating what they thought they read.
It's a recipe for disaster.
Dudley
40 PM: Dudley -- 10:27am -- Sun, Feb 11, 07 pst
Dudley
What's more childish is using the old ''fascist'' label.
How about the "worthless piece of shit" label?
788 PM: Dudley -- Sun, Jul 30 12:24pm pst
Dudley
The UN is a worthless piece of shit
Dudley
What's more childish is using the old ''fascist'' label.
How about the "worthless piece of shit" label?
788 PM: Dudley -- Sun, Jul 30 12:24pm pst
Dudley
The UN is a worthless piece of shit
7096 PM: Christians -- 10:26am -- Mon, Feb 11, 08 pst
Christians are Good
[doss: ''I remember when they said she'd never win her senate seat.'']
Nobody I know ever said that.
You don't ''know'' voodoo, jajski, BHL, POL-INC, or BigBenn? Really?
voodoo_chile_at_large : . . . . msg#7030 Fri, Jul 9,[1999] 8:50PM PST
hillary will lose to major owens for the senate seat in NY................. she'll lose big time to him.............
BigBenn : . . . . msg#4409 Thu, Jul 15, [1999] 12:09PM PST
My prediction: Hillary will begin to run, then see that she really isn't making up too much ground, then pull out citing 'family concerns' or something of that sort.
Brutally Handsome Legend (......Legends dont NEED taglines.....): . . . .
msg#4393 Thu, Jul 15,[1999] 12:08PM PST
Hillary will look at those polls.....and she won't run
jajski : . . . . msg#925 Wed, Jul 7, [1999] 7:29AM PST
you heard it here first . . . Hillary will NOT run . . .she just wants the $$$$$
POL-INC : . . . . msg#5530 Mon, Sep 6, [1999] 3:57PM PST When Chillary loses the Senate race, are they gonna stay in New York, or move back to The Incest State of Arkansas?....
Christians are Good
[doss: ''I remember when they said she'd never win her senate seat.'']
Nobody I know ever said that.
You don't ''know'' voodoo, jajski, BHL, POL-INC, or BigBenn? Really?
voodoo_chile_at_large : . . . . msg#7030 Fri, Jul 9,[1999] 8:50PM PST
hillary will lose to major owens for the senate seat in NY................. she'll lose big time to him.............
BigBenn : . . . . msg#4409 Thu, Jul 15, [1999] 12:09PM PST
My prediction: Hillary will begin to run, then see that she really isn't making up too much ground, then pull out citing 'family concerns' or something of that sort.
Brutally Handsome Legend (......Legends dont NEED taglines.....): . . . .
msg#4393 Thu, Jul 15,[1999] 12:08PM PST
Hillary will look at those polls.....and she won't run
jajski : . . . . msg#925 Wed, Jul 7, [1999] 7:29AM PST
you heard it here first . . . Hillary will NOT run . . .she just wants the $$$$$
POL-INC : . . . . msg#5530 Mon, Sep 6, [1999] 3:57PM PST When Chillary loses the Senate race, are they gonna stay in New York, or move back to The Incest State of Arkansas?....
Predictions
8983 PM: Shutime [Quote] -- 7:34pm -- Wed, Feb 11, 15 pst
CEO: Worthless obamalovers what you gonna do when the welfare turn its' back on you--you will be stranded and not a damn thing you can do--tough shit
obama is handing Jeb the Presidency
CEO: Worthless obamalovers what you gonna do when the welfare turn its' back on you--you will be stranded and not a damn thing you can do--tough shit
obama is handing Jeb the Presidency
Tuesday, February 10, 2015
Rational Thought?
9049 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 11:52am -- Tue, Feb 10, 15 pst
Palerider
dosset maybe Spadjo's statement is better for your understanding, for you
to embrace your belief as a ''Christian lay minister'' you abandon rational
thought you agree that you've abandoned rational thought?
Palerider
dosset maybe Spadjo's statement is better for your understanding, for you
to embrace your belief as a ''Christian lay minister'' you abandon rational
thought you agree that you've abandoned rational thought?
Sunday, February 8, 2015
"Real" Unemployment?
From The New Yorker: The ''Labor Department now reckons
that the economy has created about three hundred and thirty-six thousand
jobs a month, on average, since the end of October. In the past year,
job growth has averaged more than two hundred and thirty thousand jobs a
month; today there are about 3.2 million more Americans working than
there were this time last year. Compared to January of 2013, there are
about 5.6 million more jobs.''
Thus the repeated mantra from the right that we should look at the ''real'' unemployment rate. *S*
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/strong-job-figures-leave-republicans-pickle?mbid=social_facebook
A review of some leading republicans and their Twitter activity on the day of the fantastic jobs report revealed:
Rand Paul attacking Loretta Lynch
Scott Walker praising Reagan.
Marco Rubio tweeted about Venezuela.
Jeb Bush’s was about promoting economic opportunity.
Ted Cruz was going on about the Conservative Political Action Conference.
There was not even ONE mention from any of them about the jobs numbers. *S*
They apparently hadn't gotten their ''real'' unemployment talking points yet.
that the economy has created about three hundred and thirty-six thousand
jobs a month, on average, since the end of October. In the past year,
job growth has averaged more than two hundred and thirty thousand jobs a
month; today there are about 3.2 million more Americans working than
there were this time last year. Compared to January of 2013, there are
about 5.6 million more jobs.''
Thus the repeated mantra from the right that we should look at the ''real'' unemployment rate. *S*
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/strong-job-figures-leave-republicans-pickle?mbid=social_facebook
A review of some leading republicans and their Twitter activity on the day of the fantastic jobs report revealed:
Rand Paul attacking Loretta Lynch
Scott Walker praising Reagan.
Marco Rubio tweeted about Venezuela.
Jeb Bush’s was about promoting economic opportunity.
Ted Cruz was going on about the Conservative Political Action Conference.
There was not even ONE mention from any of them about the jobs numbers. *S*
They apparently hadn't gotten their ''real'' unemployment talking points yet.
Saturday, February 7, 2015
Stupid Jews?
7034 PM: Kaslin [Quote] -- 10:26am -- Tue, Feb 3, 15 pst
Kaslin
[To Mistysea: ] Mistysea: Neither will I, but it's only the Jews here in the States. Those in Israel don't support him
[ quoted: Mistysea - pm-to:Kaslin: I will never understand why JEWS all love Obama. Hes their enemy -- It shows how goddamn stupid they are. ]
Kaslin
[To Mistysea: ] Mistysea: Neither will I, but it's only the Jews here in the States. Those in Israel don't support him
[ quoted: Mistysea - pm-to:Kaslin: I will never understand why JEWS all love Obama. Hes their enemy -- It shows how goddamn stupid they are. ]
Words Mean Things
9632 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 7:50am -- Sat, Feb 7, 15 pst
Old Musicians Club
SCOUT...There is a difference, and until you can use words correctly
& understand their meanings, this conversation will go nowhere.
Words mean things.
_______________________
9692 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 8:00am -- Sat, Feb 7, 15 pst
Old Musicians Club
I suppose I am going to have to teach all the dems to talk & use words
correctly......reading comprehension, etc.
Old Musicians Club
SCOUT...There is a difference, and until you can use words correctly
& understand their meanings, this conversation will go nowhere.
Words mean things.
_______________________
9692 PM: Mwjohnson [Quote] -- 8:00am -- Sat, Feb 7, 15 pst
Old Musicians Club
I suppose I am going to have to teach all the dems to talk & use words
correctly......reading comprehension, etc.
Thursday, February 5, 2015
How Much Was Hillary Paid?
| 2012 PM: Weedhopper [Quote] -- 6:18pm -- Thu, Feb 5, 15 pst |
. . . That's right...and Hillary was being paid quite well for an attorney in her part of the nation
Everybody Wants a Full-time Job?
1242 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 3:04pm -- Thu, Feb 5, 15 pst
Christians are Good
Dosset, Here is a bit information that can be refuted if it lacks validity. Does it?
''The number of full-time jobs, and that’s what everybody wants, as a percent of the total population, is the lowest it’s ever been… The other thing that is very misleading about the total jobs number is the more people that drop out, the better the number gets. In the recession we lost 13 million jobs. Only 3 million have come back. You don’t see that in that number.“
Christians are Good
Dosset, Here is a bit information that can be refuted if it lacks validity. Does it?
''The number of full-time jobs, and that’s what everybody wants, as a percent of the total population, is the lowest it’s ever been… The other thing that is very misleading about the total jobs number is the more people that drop out, the better the number gets. In the recession we lost 13 million jobs. Only 3 million have come back. You don’t see that in that number.“
No Evidence Required
| 1222 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 2:57pm -- Thu, Feb 5, 15 pst |
Christians are Good
Because opinion pieces do not require 'evidence.'
CaG's Handle Hacked?
| 972 PM: Doss [Quote] -- 2:12pm -- Thu, Feb 5, 15 pst |
doss CaG: Unsoma suggested to me that she suspects some teen has been borrowing
Borrowing YOUR handle -- that is...
Richweb Lying Again
| 601 PM: Richweb [Quote] -- 1:25pm -- Thu, Feb 5, 15 pst |
Richweb--Peace on earth good will to men [and women]
. . . . Oct 5, 2011 - Obama Has Now Increased Debt More than All Presidents from ... Thus, the total national debt accumulated by the first 41 presidents
combined ...
____________________________________
An obvious lie
Pale Believes Iran
305 PM: Maggie [Quote] -- 12:49pm -- Thu, Feb 5, 15 pst
Maggie - we are all mad here... ~L Carroll
pale.. do you believe iran more?
308 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 12:49pm -- Thu, Feb 5, 15 pst
Palerider
Maggie I guess I do
Maggie - we are all mad here... ~L Carroll
pale.. do you believe iran more?
308 PM: Palerider [Quote] -- 12:49pm -- Thu, Feb 5, 15 pst
Palerider
Maggie I guess I do
Nick Hates?
| 59 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 12:05pm -- Thu, Feb 5, 15 pst |
Christians are Good
The biggest hater in the room bar none, is Nick.
Wednesday, February 4, 2015
DC Is a State?
4291 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 12:44pm -- Wed, Feb 4, 15 pst
Christians are Good
''One in three, or 35.2 percent, of people getting federal disability insurance benefits have been diagnosed with a mental disorder, according to the latest data from the Social Security Administration (SSA).
Washington, D.C., the seat of the federal government, ranked in the top-ten list of states where disabled beneficiaries were diagnosed with mental problems.''
4343 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 12:56pm -- Wed, Feb 4, 15 pst
Christians are Good
I don't consider them to be in error. They did not say DC was a state. They said DC was ranked among the top ten states.
CaG: If you'd taken my advice, you could have avoided another entry into Imzadi's Stupid Chat Tricks.
Remember what I advised you?
You shouldn't cut and paste what right wingers are saying about reports put out by the gov. You're MUCH better off reading the original reports.
SSA would NEVER had called DC a ''state.''
I'm surprised you didn't catch that one.
When you buy into the horse shit put out by your right winger pals, it only makes you appear to be as careless with the truth as they are.
Christians are Good
''One in three, or 35.2 percent, of people getting federal disability insurance benefits have been diagnosed with a mental disorder, according to the latest data from the Social Security Administration (SSA).
Washington, D.C., the seat of the federal government, ranked in the top-ten list of states where disabled beneficiaries were diagnosed with mental problems.''
4343 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 12:56pm -- Wed, Feb 4, 15 pst
Christians are Good
I don't consider them to be in error. They did not say DC was a state. They said DC was ranked among the top ten states.
CaG: If you'd taken my advice, you could have avoided another entry into Imzadi's Stupid Chat Tricks.
Remember what I advised you?
You shouldn't cut and paste what right wingers are saying about reports put out by the gov. You're MUCH better off reading the original reports.
SSA would NEVER had called DC a ''state.''
I'm surprised you didn't catch that one.
When you buy into the horse shit put out by your right winger pals, it only makes you appear to be as careless with the truth as they are.
Simplistic Answers
4142 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 12:05pm -- Wed, Feb 4, 15 pst
Christians are Good
Simplistic answers to complex questions.
Christians are Good
Simplistic answers to complex questions.
Tuesday, February 3, 2015
Robbing Medicare?
1100 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 8:33pm -- Tue, Feb 3, 15 pst
Christians are Good
It isn't like America's seniors haven't worked hard for what little benefits the government affords. Yet the Democrats are robbing their medical insurance to pay for Obama's schemes. I wonder why?
Now for the truth: The ACA INCREASED Medicare spending, expanded benefits and coverage; and has saved seniors BILLIONS of dollars.
"The ACA expanded Medicare benefits, resulting in more savings for seniors. Medicare beneficiaries will save, on average, about $5,000 over the next 10 years due to lower drug costs, free preventive services and reductions in the growth of health spending. Since passage of the ACA, more than 7.9 million people with Medicare saved over $9.9 billion on prescription drugs." Source: National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare - - http://www.ncpssm.org/PublicPolicy/Medicare/Documents/ArticleID/216/How-the-Affordable-Care-Act-Helps-Seniors
More from the Committee:
Medicare beneficiaries are eligible to receive many preventive services with no out-of-pocket costs. These include flu shots, tobacco cessation counseling, as well as no-cost screenings for cancer, diabetes and other chronic diseases. Seniors can also get an annual wellness visit so they can talk to their doctor about any health concerns. Because of the ACA, over 37 million seniors have received at least one of these preventive services with no out-of-pocket costs in 2013.
Lower Medicare Part B Premiums
ACA reforms are making Medicare more efficient and reducing overall health care costs, which has helped keep Part B premiums from rising. In 2014, the Medicare Part B premium is $104.90 and the Part B annual deductible is $147, the same as in 2013. The 2013 Part B monthly premium – $104.90 – was lower than previously projected by the Medicare trustees.
Lower-Cost Prescription Drugs
The ACA reduces prescription drug prices for seniors and closes the coverage gap, known as the “donut hole.” Medicare beneficiaries who fall into the coverage gap, known as the "donut hole," automatically receive a discount on prescription drugs. Each year, beneficiaries pay a reduced cost for brand name and generic drugs in the coverage gap. The law closes the coverage gap in 2020.
In 2014, Medicare beneficiaries in the donut hole receive a 52.5 percent discount on brand-name drugs and a 28 percent discount on generic drugs. Seniors who reach the donut hole will save, on average, about $1,265 per beneficiary. Nearly four million people with Medicare who were in the donut hole in 2010 received a one-time, tax-free $250 rebate from Medicare to help pay for prescription drug costs.
Improvements for Medicare Advantage Plan Members
Private Medicare Advantage (MA) plans are getting stronger and less expensive. Since the passage of the ACA, the average MA premium has declined by approximately 10 percent and enrollment has increased by 33 percent (about 15 million beneficiaries).
Starting in 2014, the ACA provides additional protections for MA plan members by limiting the amount these plans spend on administrative costs, insurance company profits and items other than health care to 15 percent of their Medicare payments.
MA plans also can no longer charge enrollees more than traditional Medicare for chemotherapy administration, skilled nursing home care and other specialized services.
Medicare Fraud, Waste and Abuse
The ACA includes new resources and tools to protect taxpayer dollars by preventing fraud in Medicare and Medicaid by building on the efforts of the Department of Health and Human Services and the Justice Department. Over the past five years, the government recovered over $19.2 billion from individuals and companies seeking fraudulent payments. There are also tougher penalties for people who steal from Medicare and more law enforcement to identify criminals abusing the law and beneficiaries.
Medicare Delivery System and Payment Reforms
The ACA establishes the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation to test new ways of delivering care that are intended to improve quality while reducing the rate of growth in Medicare spending. Examples include programs to reduce unnecessary hospital readmissions by coordinating care and services for patients when they leave the hospital. Other provisions provide for the development of Accountable Care Organizations, bundled payments and medical homes – all intended to provider higher-quality, coordinated care for beneficiaries.
And then, there is this from The Washington Post: "Romney accused Obama of taking $716 billion from Medicare. This $700
billion figure comes from the difference over 10 years (2013-2022)
between anticipated Medicare spending (what is known as “the baseline”)
and the changes that the law makes to reduce spending. The savings
mostly are wrung from health-care providers, not Medicare beneficiaries —
who, as a result of the health-care law, ended up with new benefits for
preventive care and prescription drugs.
"While it is correct that
anticipated savings from Medicare were used to help offset some of the
anticipated costs of expanding health care for all Americans, it does
not affect the Medicare trust fund. In fact, the Obama health-care law
also raised Medicare payroll taxes by $318 billion over the new 10-year
time frame, further strengthening the program’s financial condition." - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/03/fact-check-the-700b-medicare-cut/
Christians are Good
It isn't like America's seniors haven't worked hard for what little benefits the government affords. Yet the Democrats are robbing their medical insurance to pay for Obama's schemes. I wonder why?
Now for the truth: The ACA INCREASED Medicare spending, expanded benefits and coverage; and has saved seniors BILLIONS of dollars.
"The ACA expanded Medicare benefits, resulting in more savings for seniors. Medicare beneficiaries will save, on average, about $5,000 over the next 10 years due to lower drug costs, free preventive services and reductions in the growth of health spending. Since passage of the ACA, more than 7.9 million people with Medicare saved over $9.9 billion on prescription drugs." Source: National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare - - http://www.ncpssm.org/PublicPolicy/Medicare/Documents/ArticleID/216/How-the-Affordable-Care-Act-Helps-Seniors
More from the Committee:
Medicare beneficiaries are eligible to receive many preventive services with no out-of-pocket costs. These include flu shots, tobacco cessation counseling, as well as no-cost screenings for cancer, diabetes and other chronic diseases. Seniors can also get an annual wellness visit so they can talk to their doctor about any health concerns. Because of the ACA, over 37 million seniors have received at least one of these preventive services with no out-of-pocket costs in 2013.
Lower Medicare Part B Premiums
ACA reforms are making Medicare more efficient and reducing overall health care costs, which has helped keep Part B premiums from rising. In 2014, the Medicare Part B premium is $104.90 and the Part B annual deductible is $147, the same as in 2013. The 2013 Part B monthly premium – $104.90 – was lower than previously projected by the Medicare trustees.
Lower-Cost Prescription Drugs
The ACA reduces prescription drug prices for seniors and closes the coverage gap, known as the “donut hole.” Medicare beneficiaries who fall into the coverage gap, known as the "donut hole," automatically receive a discount on prescription drugs. Each year, beneficiaries pay a reduced cost for brand name and generic drugs in the coverage gap. The law closes the coverage gap in 2020.
In 2014, Medicare beneficiaries in the donut hole receive a 52.5 percent discount on brand-name drugs and a 28 percent discount on generic drugs. Seniors who reach the donut hole will save, on average, about $1,265 per beneficiary. Nearly four million people with Medicare who were in the donut hole in 2010 received a one-time, tax-free $250 rebate from Medicare to help pay for prescription drug costs.
Improvements for Medicare Advantage Plan Members
Private Medicare Advantage (MA) plans are getting stronger and less expensive. Since the passage of the ACA, the average MA premium has declined by approximately 10 percent and enrollment has increased by 33 percent (about 15 million beneficiaries).
Starting in 2014, the ACA provides additional protections for MA plan members by limiting the amount these plans spend on administrative costs, insurance company profits and items other than health care to 15 percent of their Medicare payments.
MA plans also can no longer charge enrollees more than traditional Medicare for chemotherapy administration, skilled nursing home care and other specialized services.
Medicare Fraud, Waste and Abuse
The ACA includes new resources and tools to protect taxpayer dollars by preventing fraud in Medicare and Medicaid by building on the efforts of the Department of Health and Human Services and the Justice Department. Over the past five years, the government recovered over $19.2 billion from individuals and companies seeking fraudulent payments. There are also tougher penalties for people who steal from Medicare and more law enforcement to identify criminals abusing the law and beneficiaries.
Medicare Delivery System and Payment Reforms
The ACA establishes the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation to test new ways of delivering care that are intended to improve quality while reducing the rate of growth in Medicare spending. Examples include programs to reduce unnecessary hospital readmissions by coordinating care and services for patients when they leave the hospital. Other provisions provide for the development of Accountable Care Organizations, bundled payments and medical homes – all intended to provider higher-quality, coordinated care for beneficiaries.
And then, there is this from The Washington Post: "Romney accused Obama of taking $716 billion from Medicare. This $700
billion figure comes from the difference over 10 years (2013-2022)
between anticipated Medicare spending (what is known as “the baseline”)
and the changes that the law makes to reduce spending. The savings
mostly are wrung from health-care providers, not Medicare beneficiaries —
who, as a result of the health-care law, ended up with new benefits for
preventive care and prescription drugs.
"While it is correct that
anticipated savings from Medicare were used to help offset some of the
anticipated costs of expanding health care for all Americans, it does
not affect the Medicare trust fund. In fact, the Obama health-care law
also raised Medicare payroll taxes by $318 billion over the new 10-year
time frame, further strengthening the program’s financial condition." - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/03/fact-check-the-700b-medicare-cut/
UN a Joke?
848 PM: Mrsdeluxe [Quote] -- 8:01pm -- Tue, Feb 3, 15 pst
Mary
Oh, I agree. The UN is a joke.
Mary
Oh, I agree. The UN is a joke.
Christians Demands Answers
8660 PM: Christians [Quote] -- 2:48pm -- Tue, Feb 3, 15 pst
Mr. Obama said the economy has recovered enough lets begin spending again.
Why is it so difficult for some people to answer a simple question? What are they afraid of?
Mr. Obama said the economy has recovered enough lets begin spending again.
Why is it so difficult for some people to answer a simple question? What are they afraid of?
Cut Social Security 30%
6734 PM: Stockticker [Quote] -- 9:46am -- Tue, Feb 3, 15 pst
Republicans submit 30% program cuts for ALL governmental programs. . . Seems fair enough to me.
doss? controversial?
Me? Controversial?
Hell, I'm a family man; I pay my taxes; I work for living; I go to church; I teach Sunday school; I give at the office; I always buy Girl Scout cookies; and give to EVERY canned food drive ever invented.
I say my prayers; respect my wife; love children and dogs.
I don't get it? What's controversial about me? *S*
Hell, I'm a family man; I pay my taxes; I work for living; I go to church; I teach Sunday school; I give at the office; I always buy Girl Scout cookies; and give to EVERY canned food drive ever invented.
I say my prayers; respect my wife; love children and dogs.
I don't get it? What's controversial about me? *S*
Monday, February 2, 2015
Unions Evil?
2662 PM: Applejack [Quote] -- 3:27pm -- Mon, Feb 2, 15 pst
Applejack
Labor Unions are an evil necessity. They keep non-union companies in check so they won't have to deal with unions.
On the other hand, many union leaders today merely make big bucks off their members and provide little in return,
My son worked for Verizon. They have the worst union in the free world.
Applejack
Labor Unions are an evil necessity. They keep non-union companies in check so they won't have to deal with unions.
On the other hand, many union leaders today merely make big bucks off their members and provide little in return,
My son worked for Verizon. They have the worst union in the free world.
MSNBC? Liberal?
Here's the way a rightwinger thinks.
Take a conservative GOP congressman and give him 3 hours EVERY WEEK DAY morning to advance the republican agenda on network TV.
Then complain that the network is ''liberal.''
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